"The cops murdered my son."

[clintonhater]

Yes, without question, they did, and equally without question, they'll get away with it, as they just did in the case of the Daniel Shaver murder--the man who pleaded for his life on video before his execution. Yet another exercise of 007's "license to kill," which was thought to be pure & absurd fiction when Ian Fleming dreamed up the term many yrs ago. Referring to the "swatting" incident that occurred a few days ago in Kansas: http://www.kansas.com/news/local/cri...192244734.html

Look carefully at the video down near the bottom showing the actual killing from the killer-cop's own body-cam. The about-to-be-murdered victim is on the opposite side of the street from the cop, who's shielded by a police car, and in body armor, of course. There's a spotlight shining right in the victim's eyes. What chance would even a good pistol shot have had under those circumstances to hit any cop even if he'd suddenly pulled out a handgun? Before he could have brought his own gun into a position to fire, he'd certainly have been hit by one of the several rifles aimed at him from positions of concealment. Though there was NO realistic danger to any of the cops involved, they would not wait to intelligently assess the situation before opening fire!!!

Cops are now trying to blame this "accident" on the POS who placed the phony 911 call--but he's not the one trained to "shoot first and ask questions later."

[Tommy]

You haven’t worked in law enforcement? Ever had a gun pointed at you ? Have you ever been shot that? If the answer is no, and I suspect it is, why don’t you see if you can get a ride along with your local officers, see what they go through.

I have 18 years on the street, and I can guarantee you none of the officers involved,or not, wish to do harm to anyone. Why don’t you wait till all the facts are in before you make rash statements.

Tommy.Sgt, BHPD, ret.)

[S.A. Boggs]

You haven’t worked in law enforcement? Ever had a gun pointed at you ? Have you ever been shot that? If the answer is no, and I suspect it is, why don’t you see if you can get a ride along with your local officers, see what they go through.

I have 18 years on the street, and I can guarantee you none of the officers involved,or not, wish to do harm to anyone. Why don’t you wait till all the facts are in before you make rash statements.

Tommy.Sgt, BHPD, ret.)

You are so right, things go from bad to worse in less then a blink of an eye. Things that can be torn apart over the years as to "why" it happened. One night I came close to killing 3 men if things had not gone right for them. One has to realize that EVERY INTERACTION can and often does lead to the death of a cop. Putting anyone in a body bag and then zipping them up is distasteful. I feel sorry for the victims family and yes for the cops as well. Do you have any idea of what the cops are now having to endure and what else is to come? A Colorado Deputy was ambushed and murdered today, what do you have to say about that?
Sam

[clintonhater]

I have 18 years on the street, and I can guarantee you none of the officers involved,or not, wish to do harm to anyone.

You think not "wishing to do harm" excuses the gross negligence of failing to professionally appraise this particular situation--"shooting first" and ascertaining whether real danger existed afterwards? Hunters who kill someone accidentally (usually their own hunting partner!) don't walk because they were not "wishing to do harm." I'll grant you that the proper legal term for this killing should be "manslaughter," not murder, but even manslaughterers have to answer for their actions--unless they happen to carry the 007 license.

Does your "guarantee" apply also to the cold-blooded killer of Daniel Shaver?

Why don’t you wait till all the facts are in before you make rash statements.

Watching that video of the killing provides all the facts any reasonable observer should need. It didn't take place at short range, or in a dark alley, or any other place where split-second decision-making was required. The victim was totally exposed, the swat team were well protected behind their cars--they had time to determine if a real threat existed.

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A Colorado Deputy was ambushed and murdered today, what do you have to say about that?
Sam

That's it's absurdly irrelevant to the case in question.

[Major Tom]

The usual outcry "He was a good boy", "He was to go to college", and on and on! If someone points a gun at me in a threatening way, one of us is going down and pretty darn sure it won't be me. All this crying and hoopla is B.S.

[RED]

There is always a cofefe when idiots with guns do what idiots do. I had 30 years of run ins with crooked traffic cops. I was working in rural areas of AR, TN, KY, MS, MO, KS, NE, and bits of IL, driving a company car with Iowa tags. The hardest part of my job was keeping my drivers license.

There are at least 3 towns in MO that are no longer chartered. 75% of their income was from traffic fines, revenues, etc. you didn’t have to violate any laws. I got a bogus ticket for doing 22 in a 20 MPH Zone. On my return trip, I slowed down to 15 MPH and got another ticket for obstructing traffic. That’s 6 points for moving violations. Bottom line, I plea bargained and was fined $600 + costs for having a noisy muffler.

In the case at hand, the guy that made the phone call should be charged with “Capital” murder. The death sentence should apply.

[clintonhater]

In the case at hand, the guy that made the phone call should be charged with “Capital” murder. The death sentence should apply.

Sure he should--especially because he'd pulled a similar stunt and been let go by the court.

But one crime doesn't excuse another.

[barretcreek]

There will be an inquest. One thing which will be discussed, absurdly, is why was only one shot fired when there were so many police present? If the man was really being threatening, current practice seems to be empty every magazine. But that will be examined, in detail probably.

I want to know if Kansas will have standing to try this reject from Kommieland for murder and if 'Beam will pull some of his b.s. and refuse to extradite the pos unless Kansas promises not to fry him. I want to see this scumbag executed, resurrected and fried again. And let those a-holes from the Westboro Baptist Church make fools of themselves with some damn excuse.

[clintonhater]

If someone points a gun at me in a threatening way, one of us is going down and pretty darn sure it won't be me. All this crying and hoopla is B.S.

WHO (except the trigger-happy cops) pointed a gun at anyone in the two cases mentioned?????????????????????????

[Tuna]

It's not up to you to judge the Police officer did the shooting or the man who was shot. It's all in the courts and Gods hands not yours or mine. So till more facts come out then just stop making noise about it.

[RED]

You don’t need to point a gun... a cell phone can get you shot. In this case if a low life togor type calls the cops and says “ I just killed seven people...” are they are supposed to laugh and say “Hee, hee, it’s just a joke. The guy that made the call is the murderer. The cop and the dead guy are both victims of the low life togor SOB that gets his jollies by fooking with people.

Laugh it up all you want, but you are killing people.

[togor]

It's not up to you to judge the Police officer did the shooting or the man who was shot. It's all in the courts and Gods hands not yours or mine. So till more facts come out then just stop making noise about it.

I'm with CH on this one. If the DA even decides to take it to the courts, the jurors will be told that according to the law, if the LEO felt that he was in the slightest bit of danger, his action is justified, and the jury will let him go the same way they let Philando Castile's killer go. I think that standard needs to be raised a bit, and not after-the-fact. Change the standard, the training, up front, so that the people in that line of work have a reasonable chance to adapt or make a different career decision. Don't leave it to politician DAs to decide after an incident that now is a good time to move the standard.

Red had to deal with different reality of law and order in this country, one for which I have less sympathy for the LEOs, which is that you're innocent until proven guilty, except in traffic court. I had at least once occasion where a cop wrote me a ticket on a BS story, but as I told to me later by a lawyer, the cop, as an "Officer of the Court", is presumed to render only facts in the courtroom as an expert witness, in a completely unbiased way, whereas I am presumed to have every incentive to lie my way out of a ticket.

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You don’t need to point a gun... a cell phone can get you shot. In this case if a low life togor type calls the cops and says “ I just killed seven people...” are they are supposed to laugh and say “Hee, hee, it’s just a joke. The guy that made the call is the murderer. The cop and the dead guy are both victims of the low life togor SOB that gets his jollies by fooking with people.

Laugh it up all you want, but you are killing people.

Red, WTF?

[RED]

which is that you're innocent until proven guilty,

Unless of course you are DJT. You have convicted him time after time with zero evidence... You tell us that colluding with the Russians is the only way he could have possibly won.

Ahhh.. but it is over a year and zero evidence has been found, leaked, or otherwise surfaced but you know he is guilty. You don't need evidence, you don't need witnesses, or a judge or a jury. You are all those things and believe you are a God... you can tell by a glance what somebody is thinking, what their motivations are, and of course you are at least as smart as your lover... Hillary and she is the smartest woman in the world.

Why don't you post your tax returns... What are you hiding?

[clintonhater]

So till more facts come out then just stop making noise about it.

Not making enough "noise" is why these killings of unarmed & non-threatening or aggressive citizens keep happening over & over & over again--who can keep track of them? Somebody reaching for his driver's license, like the poor guy who's killing was recorded on his girlfriend's cellphone, while their kid sat in the back seat, or the California homeless man surrounded & executed by a whole squad of cops, and too many other similar cases to remember. A WHOLE lot more noise needs to be made.

[togor]

Red: So you're still bent out of shape because I find Trump dismaying, and not something new? OK, good to know. No need to clutter up this thread then.