"The cops murdered my son."

[leftyo]

You don’t need to point a gun... a cell phone can get you shot. In this case if a low life togor type calls the cops and says “ I just killed seven people...” are they are supposed to laugh and say “Hee, hee, it’s just a joke. The guy that made the call is the murderer. The cop and the dead guy are both victims of the low life togor SOB that gets his jollies by fooking with people.

Laugh it up all you want, but you are killing people.

this is going to be your one and only warning, behave yourself!

[clintonhater]

I'm with CH on this one. If the DA even decides to take it to the courts, the jurors will be told that according to the law, if the LEO felt that he was in the slightest bit of danger, his action is justified, and the jury will let him go the same way they let Philando Castile's killer go.

The more incompetent or panicked or just trigger-happy the cop, the greater his liberty to take a life without having to answer for it--something every cop in this country knows very well. "I'm afraid, so you must die." Never, NEVER, is the question asked in court "Was that fear reasonable or in any way justified."

[p246]

First of all no one wins in this, no one. A dipstick mad about call of duty the video game, calls in a high risk call that illicits a high risk contact between police and the unsuspecting victim. During the encounter the victim was kill in due part by the perception of the LEO with the facts given at the time. The caller set the wheels in motion the caller should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. As far as the OIS I’ll reserve judgements when all the facts come out. The job was never easy but swatting along with the real bad stuff that goes on every day makes it more difficult.

[Dan Shapiro]

p246

Nailed it.

[Ken C.]

Youre exactly right,Tommy, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the ones who criticize never ever had to do that job or they would think twice before they yapped about it. Arm Chair quarterbacks are everywhere, and their opinion isnt worth a tinkers damn. One situation and they would probably be pissing in their pants.

[clintonhater]

Youre exactly right,Tommy, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the ones who criticize never ever had to do that job or they would think twice before they yapped about it. Arm Chair quarterbacks are everywhere, and their opinion isnt worth a tinkers damn. One situation and they would probably be pissing in their pants.

Watch this video and tell me who's pissing in their pants--the victims or the hysterical cop?

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/06/22/philando-castile-facebook-and-dashcam-full-mashup-video-ctn.cnn

[Tommy]

It's not up to you to judge the Police officer did the shooting or the man who was shot. It's all in the courts and Gods hands not yours or mine. So till more facts come out then just stop making noise about it.

Amen Tuna, Amen !

[togor]

Watch this video and tell me who's pissing in their pants--the victims or the hysterical cop?

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/06...-video-ctn.cnn

Boy that goes south in a hurry. How that guy got acquitted, just beyond me.

Armchair quarterbacks, whose opinion isn't worth a tinker's damn? More like members of the public who don't want to be on the receiving end of that kind of crap. Dash cams, body cams, cell cams, all point to the same thing--it's only going to get harder to bury bad shoots in the verbiage of police reports. Some municipalities will figure it out sooner than others.

Lots of guys here talk about having buddies on the nearby force, and have no problems whatsoever dealing with them. Well not everyone is that lucky, and not everyone has the foresight or the means to lay everything out nice and pretty so that an officer in a traffic stop doesn't feel even the slightest bit threatened. So what's the problem? Too many guns out there, making cops feel nervous? If that's the case, then the LEOs should say as much and make that part of the conversation.

[S.A. Boggs]

Boy that goes south in a hurry. How that guy got acquitted, just beyond me.

Armchair quarterbacks, whose opinion isn't worth a tinker's damn? More like members of the public who don't want to be on the receiving end of that kind of crap. Dash cams, body cams, cell cams, all point to the same thing--it's only going to get harder to bury bad shoots in the verbiage of police reports. Some municipalities will figure it out sooner than others.

Lots of guys here talk about having buddies on the nearby force, and have no problems whatsoever dealing with them. Well not everyone is that lucky, and not everyone has the foresight or the means to lay everything out nice and pretty so that an officer in a traffic stop doesn't feel even the slightest bit threatened. So what's the problem? Too many guns out there, making cops feel nervous? If that's the case, then the LEOs should say as much and make that part of the conversation.

Back in 1981 I was one of five Deputies who got to take the "Street Survival" course and I learned things that I did not learn at the academy. I still use this training today to cover my 6. You would be surprised how easy it is to hide a piercing instrument on your arm and remember standard vests won't stop them. A can of wasp spray is very lethal and so innocent.
Sam

[clintonhater]

If that's the case, then the LEOs should say as much and make that part of the conversation.

Hell, they've been doing that for decades! And most of the professional organizations representing city cops are part of the anti-gun chorus. Here are a few anti-gun policy statements:

https://www.lepartnership.org/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-police/u-s-police-chiefs-call-for-background-checks-for-all-gun-purchases-idUSKCN0SK2RR20151027

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/11/11/association-of-police-chiefs-advocates-gun-control/

On the other hand, Sheriff's associations (but not necessarily individual Sheriffs!) tend to be supportive of gun rights--maybe because they have to stand for election.

[togor]

Anybody remember the move Gran Torino? Clint's character has terminal lung cancer and sacrifices himself to take out a Hmong gang terrorizing some folks in the neighborhood. The climatic scene is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waNhD1Z23M8

This was the movie where he leveled his M1 Garand on the punks and said, "get off my lawn". As I recall we all enjoyed that! (At least the Garand guys did.) In this scene he sacrifices himself to put the gang guys behind bars, but the thing is, this shooting is by most reasonable standards, a justifiable homicide. The gang had reason to believe he was going to shoot them. And if Clint's character was provoking the police with this same behavior, they could justifiably shoot him even before he took out the cigarette.

The saying, "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6". I never heard it until my sister's stepson joined the Milwaukee PD about 5 years back. Is this something taught in training or is it a pearl of wisdom passed along by guys on the job?

[clintonhater]

The saying, "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6". I never heard it until my sister's stepson joined the Milwaukee PD about 5 years back. Is this something taught in training or is it a pearl of wisdom passed along by guys on the job?

Old as the hills--I must have first heard it 50-60 yrs ago, and it had nothing to do with police "protecting" themselves. Had to do with catching a burglar on your property, getting into a fight with some hard case, etc.

[S.A. Boggs]

Anybody remember the move Gran Torino? Clint's character has terminal lung cancer and sacrifices himself to take out a Hmong gang terrorizing some folks in the neighborhood. The climatic scene is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waNhD1Z23M8

This was the movie where he leveled his M1 Garand on the punks and said, "get off my lawn". As I recall we all enjoyed that! (At least the Garand guys did.) In this scene he sacrifices himself to put the gang guys behind bars, but the thing is, this shooting is by most reasonable standards, a justifiable homicide. The gang had reason to believe he was going to shoot them. And if Clint's character was provoking the police with this same behavior, they could justifiably shoot him even before he took out the cigarette.

The saying, "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6". I never heard it until my sister's stepson joined the Milwaukee PD about 5 years back. Is this something taught in training or is it a pearl of wisdom passed along by guys on the job?

OJT. Had similar problems at the clinic with new hires who went thru a counselors training. Had to tell them that what she taught them wouldn't work at all, yet they did what she taught them. I was one of the case managers who was tasked with speaking to a senior college level class on working with the mentally ill. I told them that college was just basic training, what they learned in the field is where the real education starts. It is the same for cops, there is the law and then the spirit of the law. It's a strange world that we live in, isn't it?
Sam

[rayg]

Me thinks clintonhater carries a personal grudge against law enforcement, Maybe something happened to him that prompts his hate for law enforcement as bad as he carries as he's a bit over normal on it. Ray

[clintonhater]

Me thinks clintonhater carries a personal grudge against law enforcement, Maybe something happened to him that prompts his hate for law enforcement as bad as he carries as he's a bit over normal on it. Ray

Methinks rayg is devoid of concern for innocent people deprived of their lives for nothing. Yet, methinks (me could be wrong) he probably calls himself a Christian.