Watch Out. The liberals are coming to your town ...

[togor]

I have lived in New Jersey since 1961 and I have never heard ANY politician-especially a liberal one-blame the state's financial problems on it being a tax exporter.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Look at where NJ sits. The numbers say that the blue states pay most of the tax bills in this country.

[bruce]

Re: Bills. Money talks. Follow the money. The money comes in from high-income states ... and it goes out. The low-income states receive far more than they pay. It is literally a redistribution of money. Without this system, small states with limited population/tax base, etc., would have some dirt roads, maybe a few telephone lines, etc. in a few places. Elsewhere ... there'd be nothing. Just look at medical care. Without fed. money via medicaid,medicare, there'd be no way anyone could live in rural areas of low population, etc. and at the same time have any meaningful access to any kind of doctor, hospital, etc. Even with this redistribution, it is becoming increasingly difficult for people to continue to live in rural areas. There just isn't enough money to provide sufficient support for education, healthcare, etc. The jobs are not there. The young people have no reason to stay there b/c there is nothing for them. The cities are where people move to find opportunities for education, employment, housing, recreation, etc. Follow the money. People move to the cities b/c that's where the money is. The blue states put out more than they get back b/c right now the blue states are the states where money is made. This is nothing new. It has long been the case. I don't like it. I don't have to like it. But that is reality. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[blackhawknj]

Isn't "income redistribution" a major plank in the Liberal/Leftist platform ?

[togor]

Isn't "income redistribution" a major plank in the Liberal/Leftist platform ?

I don't know the answer to that question, which is pretty specific, but my sense is that people on the left think that the distribution of wealth in the country--concentrated towards the top--is not a healthy sign for society. Basically, capital is less available in society for applications that stand to benefit the majority of the people who are not wealthy.

One oversimplified way of thinking about it is if you had a village of 100 people, and 1 person had about 40% of the food, tillable land, building materials for shelter, etc. You might ask "how f*cking special" does that one person need to be to have that large a share? It is a question that is starting to get asked more and more. Most of the children of the wealthy could ascend bodily into heaven today and we wouldn't miss them one bit.

[leftyo]

I don't know the answer to that question, which is pretty specific, but my sense is that people on the left think that the distribution of wealth in the country--concentrated towards the top--is not a healthy sign for society. Basically, capital is less available in society for applications that stand to benefit the majority of the people who are not wealthy.

One oversimplified way of thinking about it is if you had a village of 100 people, and 1 person had about 40% of the food, tillable land, building materials for shelter, etc. You might ask "how f*cking special" does that one person need to be to have that large a share? It is a question that is starting to get asked more and more. Most of the children of the wealthy could ascend bodily into heaven today and we wouldn't miss them one bit.

they could have their own if they got off their azzes and worked for it, instead of complaining that someone else went out and did it.

[dryheat]

In the days of communities that started with V there wouldn't be an individual who had that much clout. And if they did, well then good for them. Back then the Black plague would take care of mal-contents. Now days, they are on t.v. begging for help for them and their compadries. Feed the Hungry, house the Homeless, Refer the Refugees. In a word, too many people getting laid and mucking up the planet. If we are going to feed them then let's put some contraceptive in the chow.

[togor]

Well the question is, does it ever matter what the group wants? If the guy with 40% uses that advantage to get to 70% of the groups resources, it's all good because he's a bright and enterprising guy?

Out of the hypothetical, into this real world. Enterprising people in the packing industry like Hispanics for their plant work. Enterprising people in tech like operating assembly plants in Asia. Great for profits! What's the problem?

[aintright]

they could have their own if they got off their azzes and worked for it, instead of complaining that someone else went out and did it.

Exactly , special ? Why does he have 40% ? Who knows , maybe he inherited it , maybe he worked his ass off to build a buisness the other 60% depend on , one way or another .
My question , is why do they think they should have an equal share ?
Hell I would love to have the money to buy a big spread with lots of game , but I don't and don't figure anybody should give it to me .
Kenneth

[togor]

Exactly , special ? Why does he have 40% ? Who knows , maybe he inherited it , maybe he worked his ass off to build a buisness the other 60% depend on , one way or another .
My question , is why do they think they should have an equal share ?
Hell I would love to have the money to buy a big spread with lots of game , but I don't and don't figure anybody should give it to me .
Kenneth

Who said anything about equal?

In any case Trump got elected in part on his promises to get capital back into areas where it left. Did it leave on it's own, chasing greener pastures overseas or in a nonunion state? Did regulators drive it away? I wouldn't have to raise issues like this except for the frozen thinking here that Dems are 100% always bad for the working man. Such an obvious point, you'd think.

[aintright]

You said people might ask why he deserved such a large portion ? Sounds to me like you were going toward the others thinking they should have an equal share .
Entitlement ?
Kennwth

[togor]

Well if one guy has 60X more than everyone else, that is a pretty lopsided society. Maybe they think he is their God, or he's their Warlord protector. Maybe he's the banker and supplies the 99 from his stock in times of calamity. Maybe he's a tyrant who lied and cheated and murdered his way to that position. The devil IS in the details.