Climate Change Data

[togor]

can you ever keep on one topic instead of shifting gears when things dont go as you planned. this conversation/topic isnt about TRUMP. i can pick all the trash you post apart too, who f'n cares!

Well this thread is mine, so if you don't like it you're free to leave. No, the earth isn't cooling, your link was to crap easily debunked. The unnamed blogger cherry picks a handful factoids over a 40 year span and in the end his own charts contradict his argument. If you read that you'd know, but clearly you don't read.

Meanwhile, if people believe NASA is just making sh*t up then get on Trump to bust some heads over there and get to the bottom of it. But that won't happen, because the fact is that the DoD depends on the NASA climate data to plan for the future, to narrow the cone of uncertainty as best they can. So when '18-'20 are among the hottest on record, you can bet the data is good and that the pool of deniers will look even more ignorant than they already do. I'd like to think some would come around but realistically there is a fat chance of that.

[Sandpebble]

Togor.... I know you realise that those to whom you post believe that climate change... or global warming... or whatever it should rightly be called is a fallacy . It has to be as they have been led to believe that any form of regulation can only be bad for corporate investments {profits}..... I'm talking the trickle down ..... you know.... that thing that has actually trickled "up" since Ron Reagans days. Anything that stops the wealth from being wealthier cuts off the trickle down to them..... its a good theory if you've become dependent on the trickle down ... like stock holders. ...

But if they think polluting air and streams is not harmfull and will give them great paying jobs .... well

[leftyo]

Well this thread is mine, so if you don't like it you're free to leave. No, the earth isn't cooling, your link was to crap easily debunked. The unnamed blogger cherry picks a handful factoids over a 40 year span and in the end his own charts contradict his argument. If you read that you'd know, but clearly you don't read.

Meanwhile, if people believe NASA is just making sh*t up then get on Trump to bust some heads over there and get to the bottom of it. But that won't happen, because the fact is that the DoD depends on the NASA climate data to plan for the future, to narrow the cone of uncertainty as best they can. So when '18-'20 are among the hottest on record, you can bet the data is good and that the pool of deniers will look even more ignorant than they already do. I'd like to think some would come around but realistically there is a fat chance of that.

your right, its your thread, but if you want to try and make a point and not just be a friggen troll you shouldnt start on climate change, and then try and blame trump for it after his whole year in office, after your stain on America didnt manage to accomplish anything related to the climate in 8!

[Former Cav]

I read somewhere that this same weather pattern happened 100 years ago.

remember back in 1970 when we were heading for a new "ice age"??
How about the "zero population growth"??
there is even some dumb congress person that believes some island somewhere is going to tip over if we put a military base or something on one side of it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[leftyo]

I read somewhere that this same weather pattern happened 100 years ago.

remember back in 1970 when we were heading for a new "ice age"??
How about the "zero population growth"??
there is even some dumb congress person that believes some island somewhere is going to tip over if we put a military base or something on one side of it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats what the paranoid libs cant get thru their heads. climate is cyclical, and all the hype is nothing more than people searching for a buck. no one has ever said we shouldnt be good stewards of our environment, but you have to get a grip on reality.

[dryheat]

There always seems to be a group that vehemently denies EVERYTHING. There are still Flat Earthers. I don't know if they think it's funny or they are serious. I remember the "thrown clear" theorists about seat belts. Yeah, throw clear through the windshield with four broken ribs from the steering wheel. Is there some money being made with Climate Change? Well, duh. There's always money made on everything. I don't have a chart; I wonder how with all the development on the planet it is even possible at this point to curb the velocity of damage.

[pmclaine]

Will look at your link later, leftyo. Meanwhile, for those who are stymied by the NYT paywall, see below. That is a signal we ignore at our peril. The first derivative is not quieting down at all.

......and this data set means what to a billion plus year old system?

Remember Antarctica used to have a rain forest.

I posit volcanoes add more green house gas than the entire existence of humanity.

When you are able to control volcanoes and the output of the sun you can control our climate.

Even if it were determined there was a link between human existence and any change in climate do you really assume government is the answer?

Govt cant plan a successful circle jerk.

[dryheat]

Remember Antarctica used to have a rain forest.-

Antarctica was probably in an entirely different place on the planet. Things have changed. Look at a big photo of the moon. It's obvious that in the long past it was routinely clobbered by big meteors so was the Earth. In fact there's a theory that the moon used to be part of Earth and got smashed off at some point. Now the moon gets hit with big meteors at about the same rate we do, which isn't very often. Things have settled down quite a bit from a few billion yrs ago. We still have the odd volcano. Krakatoa actually lowered the temp by over one degree. Mostly because ash actually blocked out the sunlight. But it was all over in a few years. CO2 emissions these days never end. I could be all wrong about this, I think it's only going to be 60 above for the high tomorrow, that's not real warm.

[bruce]

Govt cant plan a successful circle jerk. Government planned lots of things that worked/work very well from ports, canals, interstate highways, National Park System, TVA, etc. The DOD didn't arise out of a vaccum. As useless as it has been, NASA was not developed by venture capitalist. The same is true of the GI Bill, etc. When people work together, in business, education or even (horrors!!!) government, lots of very good things can and are done. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

......and this data set means what to a billion plus year old system?

Remember Antarctica used to have a rain forest.

I posit volcanoes add more green house gas than the entire existence of humanity.

When you are able to control volcanoes and the output of the sun you can control our climate.

Even if it were determined there was a link between human existence and any change in climate do you really assume government is the answer?

Govt cant plan a successful circle jerk.

So if I give you a serious rebuttal will you go "OK, thanks, mind changed"? No you won't. The volcanos thing, we've been over that many times. "When is the answer ever more government"? Police are government, so is the military. Is the answer ever "more police"? "More troops"?

What astonishes me is that people get amped up about say 1 million illegals getting some kind of social benefit (while many more pay taxes of one kind or another). "Destroying the fabric of our society!" But bring up something looming with an impact of many orders of magnitude greater, and "oh well, what can you do?". You can give people a pencil and an instruction sheet titled CONNECT DOTS IN THIS PATTERN and still they can't/won't do it. Incredible.

Oh but you ask a technical question, so I answer.

......and this data set means what to a billion plus year old system?

In geologic terms, this sudden step change in CO2 from around 250ppm to 400ppm is like a sledgehammer blow, like a "CO2 meteor" strike, to invent an analogy. It's on that scale. You're living in the period between The Before, and The After, as geologists 50,000 years from now will see it. If there are any geologists then. The fact that the transition seems slow on your scale shouldn't fool you.

[leftyo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1hg-koV1T0&feature=youtu.be

just watch that, especially the last little bit, NASA has been changing its data! its all a bunch o crap to get the sheep to panic, thereby ensuring "scientists" get their funding to keep their jobs!!!!!!

[S.A. Boggs]

So if I give you a serious rebuttal will you go "OK, thanks, mind changed"? No you won't. The volcanos thing, we've been over that many times. "When is the answer ever more government"? Police are government, so is the military. Is the answer ever "more police"? "More troops"?

What astonishes me is that people get amped up about say 1 million illegals getting some kind of social benefit (while many more pay taxes of one kind or another). "Destroying the fabric of our society!" But bring up something looming with an impact of many orders of magnitude greater, and "oh well, what can you do?". You can give people a pencil and an instruction sheet titled CONNECT DOTS IN THIS PATTERN and still they can't/won't do it. Incredible.

Oh but you ask a technical question, so I answer.


In geologic terms, this sudden step change in CO2 from around 250ppm to 400ppm is like a sledgehammer blow, like a "CO2 meteor" strike, to invent an analogy. It's on that scale. You're living in the period between The Before, and The After, as geologists 50,000 years from now will see it. If there are any geologists then. The fact that the transition seems slow on your scale shouldn't fool you.

I believe that you are sincere and honest in your belief, a zealot of sorts which is fine. My question is, what are you doing to help the planet? My wife and I started doing our part[s] over 35 years ago with how we run our daily life.
Sam

[JB White]

If the world was warming I wouldn't have to turn up the heat or warm up the car. *facetious comment*

[RED]

"What astonishes me is that people get amped up about say 1 million illegals getting some kind of social benefit (while many more pay taxes of one kind or another). "

1 million getting getting unearned benefits is a fraction of the real number. Plus, the cost of government benefits for illegal and other non working immigrants is only a fraction of the negative effects they have on the economy as a whole.

In my search for a new home, I ran across one on Zillow that looked really nice and was thousands of dollars cheaper than other comparable homes. I went to have a look at it and immediately saw what the difference was. It was at 2:00 PM on a work day and there were dozens of cars parked in the driveways, on the street and in the yards. Many of those cars were expensive late models that I couldn't afford and the average home on the street would be from $175K to $225K elsewhere but there it was $120k to $150k. The number of autos is a indication of the number of people living there that don't work. At the same time on the street where I purchased my new home there were 3 cars visible on the entire block... everybody was at work. The negative impact your BFF's have on home values is enormous and just another economic impact you ignore.

[togor]

I believe that you are sincere and honest in your belief, a zealot of sorts which is fine. My question is, what are you doing to help the planet? My wife and I started doing our part[s] over 35 years ago with how we run our daily life.
Sam

Same here. Heat with wood, mostly, and if that means ice on the inside window panes in the AM, so be it. Drive fuel efficient cars, sweat it out in the summer for a bit before cutting in the AC. And recognizing that it will also take policies acting on a much broader scale, and supporting those. My turning down a thermostat won't affect the coal/nuclear/gas/wind energy mix. We should be looking more at nuclear power, but the Greens and the NIMBYs fight that tooth and nail, everywhere. Yeah, Nuclear done right isn't cheap (unlike the original promises) but no CO2 emmissions for a lot of electricity.