Climate Change Data

[S.A. Boggs]

Same here. Heat with wood, mostly, and if that means ice on the inside window panes in the AM, so be it. Drive fuel efficient cars, sweat it out in the summer for a bit before cutting in the AC. And recognizing that it will also take policies acting on a much broader scale, and supporting those. My turning down a thermostat won't affect the coal/nuclear/gas/wind energy mix. We should be looking more at nuclear power, but the Greens and the NIMBYs fight that tooth and nail, everywhere. Yeah, Nuclear done right isn't cheap (unlike the original promises) but no CO2 emmissions for a lot of electricity.

Wood is practical as we can burn some spam mail in it, check for plastic first. The ash is then put into the garden for recycling into vegetables, same as the chips that the line clearers left us. It was so cool last summer just used a fan to sleep under and got cold at that in the early AM. Jeep's especially in 4 WD are not fuel efficient but a serious need where we live. We go drown our drive to a private road, to a secondary road to get to the highway. Some of the roads are state, county, township and then private. When I got sick two years ago everything was put on hold, now that I am clean of cancer our plans to improve our lives restart. I have a large oak tree to take down so that I can place our solar panels there, build an all season water heater, new bathroom with composting toilet and recycling gray water into the new green house. Wife wants to retire in 4 years so we need to cut our expenses even more. By producing our own electricity we can reduce our yearly expense by about $5,000.00
Sam

[RED]

This entire thread...

... Is like a boob without a nipple. It has no point. According to this thread, two days, two weeks, two months, or two years is a long term trend. A short climatic study STARTS with a study of the climate over the past 10,000 years. It is also very important to remember that 10,000 years ago nobody owned a thermometer. Temperatures and climate from 10,000 years ago are measured by studying tree rings in fossilized wood that may be 10,000 years old or it might be only 7,000 or maybe 12,000 years old.

The thing to remember is this... Records are made to be broken. Every recorded weather phenomenon that now stands will be broken... records for temperatures, rainfall, hurricane numbers and intensities, sun spots, etc., etc. will fall sooner or later. And yes it may take 1,000 years but they will be broken. Some people here will tell you that the dustbowl days back in the 1930's were caused by SUV's. Talk about being "amped up..."

[bruce]

Re: This entire thread. I don't particularly agree with what you write. Do agree that records do tend to get broken. Some ... every effort needs to be made that those particular records remain unbroken. No good can come from extreme weather, whether caused by "climate change," volcanic emissions, etc. All that being said, I am glad to see you up and writing again. God bless you! Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

If only all those climate scientists had thought to check with Red first. *poof!* Just like that, problem solved!

A couple of points to keep in perspective. First, the theory of greenhouse effect global warming as a result of CO2 and other emmissions, as testified before Congress by James Hansen in 1988, has proven to be predictive. Things have gotten warmer and will continue to do so. We see no upper bound approaching in the data.

Second, it is fine and good to talk about conditions changing over the millennia, or what it was like a few thousand years ago when humanity was primarily bands of hunter-gatherers, with a few outposts of early civilization, but doing so misses the point. We live now, with 7.6 billion others, in a world with nuclear weapons. A few degrees doesn't sound like much and in some places maybe it isn't but in other places the changes that accompany it may well be the difference between a population living or dying on a mass scale.

[leftyo]

If only all those climate scientists had thought to check with Red first. *poof!* Just like that, problem solved!

A couple of points to keep in perspective. First, the theory of greenhouse effect global warming as a result of CO2 and other emmissions, as testified before Congress by James Hansen in 1988, has proven to be predictive. Things have gotten warmer and will continue to do so. We see no upper bound approaching in the data.

Second, it is fine and good to talk about conditions changing over the millennia, or what it was like a few thousand years ago when humanity was primarily bands of hunter-gatherers, with a few outposts of early civilization, but doing so misses the point. We live now, with 7.6 billion others, in a world with nuclear weapons. A few degrees doesn't sound like much and in some places maybe it isn't but in other places the changes that accompany it may well be the difference between a population living or dying on a mass scale.

gee, and thats why animals have died off or evolved over millions of years or more, the damned planet keeps changing.

[togor]

gee, and thats why animals have died off or evolved over millions of years or more, the damned planet keeps changing.

Again you fail to take in the full message of a post. With 7.6 billion souls behind armed borders, the "millions of years" argument is nonsense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

[RED]

Re: This entire thread. I don't particularly agree with what you write. Do agree that records do tend to get broken. Some ... every effort needs to be made that those particular records remain unbroken. No good can come from extreme weather, whether caused by "climate change," volcanic emissions, etc. All that being said, I am glad to see you up and writing again. God bless you! Sincerely. bruce.

Thanks Bruce, but I think you are missing the point. Extreme weather is bad. Earthquakes are bad, tsunamis are bad but they are a act of God or, as some would argue, Mother Nature at work. I don't think humans can change either one.

My elders were all tithing Southern Baptists. They were taught from their childhood they were worthless sinners. My Grandmother (AKA Mama Freeman) would put a feast on the table every Sunday. Fried chicken (she wrung it's neck on Saturday, dipped it in boiling water, plucked it's feathers, singed the pin feathers, and saved the heart, liver, and gizzards, for me). She also cooked a country ham (cured by Daddy Freeman), with red eye gravy, or had a pot roast, saw mill gravy, mashed potatoes, yams, homemade biscuits AND the best yeast rolls ever made. For desert angle food cake and strawberries or chocolate cake with canned peaches.

After Grace was said she would apologize for putting down such poor victuals (pronounced 'vittles').

Now the new thinking is that God has nothing to do with anything. Man is the enemy of the earth and the only way to save it is to remove man from the equation.

I am not a religious person. I believe in God... I pray often but have a problem with organized religion. The preachers and bible thumpers I have ran across in my lifetime were fakes, frauds, and con artists. Jim and Tammy Faye Baker said God was talking to them. David Koresh said God was talking to him. Jim Jones said God was talking to him and countless others swear God talks to them.

Here in this technology advanced society, why doesn't someone record God's words and publish them for us all to hear?

[leftyo]

Again you fail to take in the full message of a post. With 7.6 billion souls behind armed borders, the "millions of years" argument is nonsense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

ive already shown your data you hold dear is not correct, so at this point you wouldnt believe anything even if it hit you in your head. you have been full on brainwashed!

[togor]

ive already shown your data you hold dear is not correct, so at this point you wouldnt believe anything even if it hit you in your head. you have been full on brainwashed!

LOL, you posted a BS link that you didn't even read yourself. And assuming you did, you didn't understand it. Because if you did understand it, you'd be able to explain it to us in detail, and you know there is no way that will happen.

[leftyo]

LOL, you posted a BS link that you didn't even read yourself. And assuming you did, you didn't understand it. Because if you did understand it, you'd be able to explain it to us in detail, and you know there is no way that will happen.

not a bs link, and ive read everything i posted, and everything you posted, but you cant get it thru your thick skull that maybe the crap youve been fed isnt correct, but like a well indoctrinated person your blind to it. your sure get pissy when someone proves your wrong!

[S.A. Boggs]

What does the ice and mud core samplings tell about yon past?
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Tell me Vern how did you earn a living after you left the service?

Very well, thank you.