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Togor,
You say "To bring it back to your [Sandpebble's] original post" and then significantly change the question. The question was not "Do you hate the FBI and CIA?" but "do we really not trust the FBI ..or the CIA ?" There is a world of difference. I address the original question.
Over the sixteen years of the Clinton and Obama administrations we saw instance after instance of corrupt government appointees and their minions subvert the Constitution, with interpretations of laws and regulations that discriminate against select classes of Americans, and willful refusal to enforce laws with which they do not agree. This happened withing both the Justice Department with the IRS and the FBI, and within the Intelligence community, and was in many cases directed by the President.
Then, during the last election, we saw elected and appointed officials, in conjunction with the Democratic Party, subvert the law to attempt to influence the election - with what we now know was foreign government assistance. Not only our elections either, but the elections of other countries (as an example, Israel).
These far past and recent past actions were brought into the light during the Clinton and Obama administrations, and after those Presidents left office. Yet, we are told by the vast majority of the so-called neutral news organizations that these actions did not matter, or (worse) were appropriate.
Do people now distrust the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, the IRS, and other organizations of the US Government? Do people now distrust the national nes organizations? I am afraid that the answer is that many people do not and may never again trust the upper echelons - the entrenched and unfireable management personnel - the so called deep state - that Clinton and Obama political appointees put into positions of authority, and their cheerleaders outside the government.
While the rank and file personnel of these agencies are still trusted to do their sworn duty, if not interfered with, there have been too many instances of directives from management personnel to pervert the rules and apply selective enforcement of the laws. There are too many instances of a lack of integrity, a lack of competence, and most unfortunately a spirit of hypocrisy on the part of political appointees, senior managers promoted by those political appointees, and office personnel following the orders of those managers and political appointees to allow the American people to have a blind and unwavering trust in their Government organizations.
It is not hate, but sadness, disappointment, and a lack of trust in formerly respected American institutions, both in Government and the media, that now fill the hearts of Americans.
The legacy of Barack Obama, that Donald Trump will never be able to undo, is the polarization of American Society and the creation of a vast distrust of Americans in their Government and their other institutions. Given that both sides see profit in maintaining these divides, it is heartbreakingly unlikely that any future President will be able to unify this country for years, perhaps decades, and perhaps forever.
You say "To bring it back to your [Sandpebble's] original post" and then significantly change the question. The question was not "Do you hate the FBI and CIA?" but "do we really not trust the FBI ..or the CIA ?" There is a world of difference. I address the original question.
Over the sixteen years of the Clinton and Obama administrations we saw instance after instance of corrupt government appointees and their minions subvert the Constitution, with interpretations of laws and regulations that discriminate against select classes of Americans, and willful refusal to enforce laws with which they do not agree. This happened withing both the Justice Department with the IRS and the FBI, and within the Intelligence community, and was in many cases directed by the President.
Then, during the last election, we saw elected and appointed officials, in conjunction with the Democratic Party, subvert the law to attempt to influence the election - with what we now know was foreign government assistance. Not only our elections either, but the elections of other countries (as an example, Israel).
These far past and recent past actions were brought into the light during the Clinton and Obama administrations, and after those Presidents left office. Yet, we are told by the vast majority of the so-called neutral news organizations that these actions did not matter, or (worse) were appropriate.
Do people now distrust the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, the IRS, and other organizations of the US Government? Do people now distrust the national nes organizations? I am afraid that the answer is that many people do not and may never again trust the upper echelons - the entrenched and unfireable management personnel - the so called deep state - that Clinton and Obama political appointees put into positions of authority, and their cheerleaders outside the government.
While the rank and file personnel of these agencies are still trusted to do their sworn duty, if not interfered with, there have been too many instances of directives from management personnel to pervert the rules and apply selective enforcement of the laws. There are too many instances of a lack of integrity, a lack of competence, and most unfortunately a spirit of hypocrisy on the part of political appointees, senior managers promoted by those political appointees, and office personnel following the orders of those managers and political appointees to allow the American people to have a blind and unwavering trust in their Government organizations.
It is not hate, but sadness, disappointment, and a lack of trust in formerly respected American institutions, both in Government and the media, that now fill the hearts of Americans.
The legacy of Barack Obama, that Donald Trump will never be able to undo, is the polarization of American Society and the creation of a vast distrust of Americans in their Government and their other institutions. Given that both sides see profit in maintaining these divides, it is heartbreakingly unlikely that any future President will be able to unify this country for years, perhaps decades, and perhaps forever.
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