More gun laws due to school shootings

[Jiminvirginia]

I have been saying this for awhile now...."normalizing the abnormal" never ends well.

[blackhawknj]

Or as Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, "Defining Deviancy Down".
One aspect that has received little airplay is that Cruz was adopted at birth. Makes you winder about his genetic lineage. I read he resisted taking "medication" but you winder what else he was taking.

[Jiminvirginia]

Hard to say how his mind was functioning, or the minds of too many others like him. Drugs, or in this case the lack thereof, may have certainly played a role. I would think a well done and thorough investigation may answer some of those questions.

[togor]

Surprised the video game angle not raised. For some, Call of Duty a training sim?

[leftyo]

Surprised the video game angle not raised. For some, Call of Duty a training sim?

ive seen video games mentioned a few times in the last few days. while video games and hollywood may play a very minor role, and i mean very minor, its still on how kids are being raised. if people leave video games and movies to raise their kids, is it really the fault of the games and movies? this is a societal problem, and until people decide to start raising decent kids again, we will have a too large number of monsters.

[blackhawknj]

This was a school shooting, just what the Left wants. Now if he had commandeered a school bus and drove it over a cliff, pulled an arson job ala the Happyland Fire, you wonder how they'd react.

[JB White]

Surprised the video game angle not raised. For some, Call of Duty a training sim?

I've actually watched "kids" play some of those games. Running from room to room killing indiscriminately. Friendly fire doesn't count or hurt. Constantly upgrading weaponry for more destruction and more killing. Blood, brains and guts flying everywhere. Fast paced. Non-stop. Players laughing all the way through as they slaughter anything in sight. No thoughts of remorse whatsoever. Pride in who has 'high game' ie. body count.

Training sim? More like a brain washing sim. Anyone in their sights is fair prey. Doesn't matter if it's a zombie, a Nazi, fellow "competitor", a nun, or mom with a baby. Everyone gets what's coming to them and when your screen goes red just pick up a first aid kit to be healed...it's all OK. There is no real pain. If you die....Start over. Everything a delusional mind could ask for except for the satisfaction of absolute reality. Must get that elsewhere.
I don't find some of these so-called games entertaining aside from possibly the initial challenge itself (the bait) and some of the historical correctness surrounding some of the weaponry.


Since I've decided to enter this long winded debate against my better judgment, allow me to interject something which nobody seems to have brought to the surface? Let's go back a few pages when Griff and Sandpebble were having their exchange. Griff cited some causes for this mess. SP countered with "The difference is..." and the point-counterpoint continued. Constantly twisting, going off on a little tangent before zooming back to repetition.

Sandpebble, what you call a difference I instead see as being the RESULT of practically all the things Griff stated. Probably could have saved a page or two had that been observed earlier.

[leftyo]

I've actually watched "kids" play some of those games. Running from room to room killing indiscriminately. Friendly fire doesn't count or hurt. Constantly upgrading weaponry for more destruction and more killing. Blood, brains and guts flying everywhere. Fast paced. Non-stop. Players laughing all the way through as they slaughter anything in sight. No thoughts of remorse whatsoever. Pride in who has 'high game' ie. body count.

Training sim? More like a brain washing sim. Anyone in their sights is fair prey. Doesn't matter if it's a zombie, a Nazi, fellow "competitor", a nun, or mom with a baby. Everyone gets what's coming to them and when your screen goes red just pick up a first aid kit to be healed...it's all OK. There is no real pain. If you die....Start over. Everything a delusional mind could ask for except for the satisfaction of absolute reality. Must get that elsewhere.
I don't find some of these so-called games entertaining aside from possibly the initial challenge itself (the bait) and some of the historical correctness surrounding some of the weaponry.


Since I've decided to enter this long winded debate against my better judgment, allow me to interject something which nobody seems to have brought to the surface? Let's go back a few pages when Griff and Sandpebble were having their exchange. Griff cited some causes for this mess. SP countered with "The difference is..." and the point-counterpoint continued. Constantly twisting, going off on a little tangent before zooming back to repetition.

Sandpebble, what you call a difference I instead see as being the RESULT of practically all the things Griff stated. Probably could have saved a page or two had that been observed earlier.

while i sorta like your analogy of the games, indiscriminant killing, friendly fire dont count etc. i remember as kids playing and we ran around shooting each other with finger guns. same things friendly fire didnt matter, shooting indiscriminately. not much different, except we were actually getting some exercise.

[togor]

Playing war as a kid on a par with backyard football or driveway basketball. These games like CoD take it to a whole different level visually. I gotta think it can do something to the weak-minded. But a kid in Taipei or Liverpool can't move onto the real thing when he gets older.

[clintonhater]

while i sorta like your analogy of the games, indiscriminant killing, friendly fire dont count etc. i remember as kids playing and we ran around shooting each other with finger guns. same things friendly fire didnt matter, shooting indiscriminately. not much different, except we were actually getting some exercise.

Just not comparable to most advanced computer simulation--not the old fashioned kind of sitting before a computer screen, but the kind that wraps your head in a helmet and you are THERE, out of your house, right in the middle of action going on all around you; so realistic, the military is now using them for training.

[leftyo]

Playing war as a kid on a par with backyard football or driveway basketball. These games like CoD take it to a whole different level visually. I gotta think it can do something to the weak-minded. But a kid in Taipei or Liverpool can't move onto the real thing when he gets older.

its possible it can affect the weak minded, but i still think it comes down to parenting and teaching the kids right from wrong, and how to deal with life. it is absolutely apparent we have a country of weak minded people. i mean a gun kills someone and we scream to ban the gun. drunk drivers kill a lot of people and yet no one screams to ban the car. makes perfect sense dont it?!

[dave]

Since the GOP has all the power right now.... what are you afraid of ? ... whats the discussion about ? Obama or Hillary gonna take your guns ? ... what ?

The Rebubs have control of the house, but NOT the Senate! Get rid of the "McCain's" and things may change.

[bostonbound]

The Rebubs have control of the house, but NOT the Senate! Get rid of the "McCain's" and things may change.

You will also need to elect enough Americans to have over 60 to block the filibuster.

[blackhawknj]

The difference between "Playing War" and video games is that the latter is too solitary an activity. Play War ?-you're outside, burning off calories, interacting with other kids-following rules. Video games are probably like pornography, they inspire a very warped view of life, create a twisted outlook. And lead to an erosion of social skills.
In Cruz' case, his adopted parents were gone, and since he was adopted, you wonder what his genetic heritage was.

[leftyo]

The difference between "Playing War" and video games is that the latter is too solitary an activity. Play War ?-you're outside, burning off calories, interacting with other kids-following rules. Video games are probably like pornography, they inspire a very warped view of life, create a twisted outlook. And lead to an erosion of social skills.
In Cruz' case, his adopted parents were gone, and since he was adopted, you wonder what his genetic heritage was.

i dont buy that. they also play driving games recklessly as hell, but you dont see it manifest itself as a problem on the road. it just happens to be an easy target to point at, "oh its the games" in the 60's it was that long haired rock music, etc, etc. the problem isnt the things, its how people raise their kids. maybe im a bit quick to say its not games, maybe it should read kids are immersed in violence all day long, from movies, tv,games, internet, etc. couple that with feel good parenting and the results arent good.