He wins the gold medal for cowardice ...

[leftyo]

Let me explain.

But first, credit where it is due. Without constant pressure from organizations like the NRA, we don't have these milsurps in public hands. And many arms manufacturers would have been sued to insolvency, and the business seen as a bad one to be in except for military/police sales.

The NRA wants more guns out there. Presumably only in "good" hands, but barring major changes in laws governing gun movement, extra guns into the system will diffuse into population, good hands and bad. There is some evidence that the rate of gun violence is related to the total number of firearms in circulation. If true, then more guns makes the problem worse. If it gets bad enough, the current laws get overrun by new ones.

I know that the NRA and gun lobby have been phenomenally successful holding a line. But my concern is, if that line cracks under overwhelming force, then what is plan B? Maybe it's too soon to think that way. Call it an occupational habit I've acquired.

what milsurps are you referencing, ive never heard of one with the possible exception of oswalds carcano (if you believe it) being used in one of these shootings.

[Vern Humphrey]

Don't feed the trolls.

[clintonhater]

Without constant pressure from organizations like the NRA, we don't have these milsurps in public hands.

Like the Garands the S. Koreans have been trying to sell US distributors for over 10 yrs? Otherwise, what are you talking about?[/QUOTE]

And many arms manufacturers would have been sued to insolvency

For that reason alone every gun US gun owner is indebted to the NRA. Even BERNIE agreed with NRA's position on that point by voting FOR the law which exempts gunmakers from "deep pocket" suits! He famously said "why should the maker of a hammer be sued if that hammer is used to kill someone?" During the campaign, he was attacked savagely by "the bitch" for being a "friend" of gunmakers, so as pols so frequently do, he opportunistically changed his position, but that doesn't change the logic of his original position.

[togor]

Guys you're 180 out of phase. I'm crediting the NRA. I have my Garands because of them. I thought the post was clear. And yes, milsurps in public hands have an excellent safety record. A fact the anti-gunners ignore.

[blackhawknj]

Private owned firearms have an excellent safety record, PERIOD.

[togor]

Private owned firearms have an excellent safety record, PERIOD.

Define private. A gang-banger considers his Glock his private property, yes? My point about milsurps is that they don't show up in crimes.

[clintonhater]

Guys you're 180 out of phase. I'm crediting the NRA. I have my Garands because of them. I thought the post was clear. And yes, milsurps in public hands have an excellent safety record. A fact the anti-gunners ignore.

Sorry, I misconstrued your meaning.

[p246]

So? He moves.

Had been visualizing one of these 50+ fat slobs often seen in small sheriff's & police depts., kept on duty to avoid conflict with the police union. But no--photo shows him to be young, well-built, athletic-looking; just no guts.

33 Years is what I heard. You can still be fit and serve at that age. I don’t know that fitness was an issue but mindset was., although I agree fitness is an issue in general. The military and police for that matter have been looking for a way to test for this very issue forever. Unfortunately it does not exist yet. He can move if he wants but it will not change a thing, it will follow him forever. Many men, police officers or not, would have gladly taken his place that day, but you and I know life does not work that way.

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Guys you're 180 out of phase. I'm crediting the NRA. I have my Garands because of them. I thought the post was clear. And yes, milsurps in public hands have an excellent safety record. A fact the anti-gunners ignore.

Oswald used a Carcano. Ward parkway shooter in KCMO used a stolen M1 Carbine. Those are the only two mil surp shootings (rifle wise) I am aware of.

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I have seen 19-year old kids go forward with their knees shaking and their teeth chattering, yet they went. This man is a coward, pure and simple.

Summed up well in just two sentences.

[fjruple]

The latest rumor is that three additional sheriff deputies also stood by while the shooting was going on at the school. Did anyone else hear that one?

[Allen]

The latest rumor is that three additional sheriff deputies also stood by while the shooting was going on at the school. Did anyone else hear that one?

Yes I did. Apparently this isn't something they are proud about and are keeping a lid on it. There may be more to the story though. They may have been instructed to do so for some reason. All the links I can find to this are from CNN so most of it can be discredited.

https://www.newsmax.com/us/broward-county-sheriffs-deputies-florida-school-shooting/2018/02/23/id/845213/

[clintonhater]

The latest rumor is that three additional sheriff deputies also stood by while the shooting was going on at the school. Did anyone else hear that one?

Not a rumor--just heard a 25 yr FBI agent interviewed on CNN say the same thing--he called it "unconscionable." Also said courage wasn't having no fear, but mastering your fear, which these deputies did not.

Just worse & worse.

[blackhawknj]

57 year old Theodore Roosevelt Junior-with his cane for his bad limp-went ashore in the first wave on D-Day. Yellow isn't the word for him.

[Vern Humphrey]

57 year old Theodore Roosevelt Junior-with his cane for his bad limp-went ashore in the first wave on D-Day. Yellow isn't the word for him.

I have never personally known a coward. But I have personally known a great many young men who went forward with knees knocking and teeth chattering. If they could do it, why couldn't this guy?

[Allen]

I have never personally known a coward. But I have personally known a great many young men who went forward with knees knocking and teeth chattering. If they could do it, why couldn't this guy?

No one wants to get killed but like mentioned before, this deputy has to live with his actions now for the rest of his life. Since the kid with the gun tripped the fire alarm first I assume from the articles that he then fired into the crowded hallway. It sounds to me that just running in would have been suicidal and just cause an additional death. If he could have been apprehended from the rear or side perhaps he could have been stopped sooner. The deputy may not have had the availability of this. The chaos was probably unbelievable along with no one having time to think. Everyone has hindsight on what should have been done but none of us were there. Guns in responsible hands at the time could have made a difference. While it would be hard for a teacher to shoot a kid they would have to consider what all was happening. All in about a half a second. I'm not saying the deputy wasn't a coward, I'm just saying that merely running in may not have accomplished anything and he knew this.

[sid]

The deputy's lawyer said that his client thought that the shooting was coming from outside the building, not inside. Anyone who is experienced with firearms would certainly have been able to tell the difference. Just another lie to save the deputy's ass.