Trump & Bump Stocks

[togor]

Is he just blowing smoke in front of the governors?

Interesting to me is this idea that Trump's DOJ finds a regulatory justification for executive action on bump stocks, where the (presumably anti-gun) statute readers in the Obama administration find none. I suppose this is where I'm told that this was all part of the Obama plan, to let gun violence out hand so that regulation inevitably follows. The problem with that theory is that it puts the NRA at the heart of the supposed conspiracy, which is obviously ludicrous.

So the more likely explanation is that nothing comes of it, that Trump was indeed just blowing smoke to the audience. On the odd small chance that something happens, and they follow through on bump stock action, and it survives court challenges, then it's fair to ask....what's next? Perhaps a new regulatory interpretation that holds that since certain semi-autos show comparable firepower to some MGs, it becomes possible to give them a Class III NFA listing?

Too far fetched to imagine. I stick with...nothing happens.

[JB White]

Locally the Dems are pushing through bans on mag capacity and body armor for non-LEO/Security and "certain other elitists" whose lives are apparently worth more than ours. So, the guys who make deliveries and service vending machines etc. can't have anymore replacement panels for their shirts.

Oh, bump and Trump. Tossed it out there as a sacrificial lamb. Easier than telling a 20 year old farmer he can't buy his own rifle for his family property.

[Major Tom]

Bump stocks should have been banned long before Las Vegas! I see absolutely no need for one.

[Dick Hosmer]

Bump stocks should have been banned long before Las Vegas! I see absolutely no need for one.

Agreed - nothing more than an end-run around the NFA. One of the "sharp practices" which make lawyers so popular. Before anyone quotes the domino theory to me, there are some tiles which just should never have been in the game to start with.

[Johnny P]

Bump stocks should have been banned long before Las Vegas! I see absolutely no need for one.

The "Bump Stocks" were approved by the BATF under the Obama administration. "Technically" it did not alter the firing mechanism of the firearm. Why can't the BATF reverse their own mess?

[JB White]

Why can't the BATF reverse their own mess?

Perhaps now they will have to redefine things while opening up another can of worms. Can't use the term "bump stock" because it leaves too many detours to get around. Use the term "devices" and you outlaw bungee cords and rubber bands.
It's going to take some carefully thought out wording and definitions.

[leftyo]

lots of people see no need for silencers, full auto's , "high capacity" magazines. be careful about what you dont need or see the need for, because someone else doesnt see the need in what you like. fact is, making bumpstocks illegal wont stop one single crime. #1 you dont need a stock to bump fire a rifle, #2 if someone who is bent on murdering lots of people thinks a bumpstock will help , they can be made in under a half hour in just about anyone's garage. heck John Browning made a machine gun from a lever action, we had better outlaw lever actions too! criminals dont obey laws, and anyone who thinks outlawing something or regulating it to death will prevent crime, is sadly sadly mistaken. when outlawing bumpstocks doesnt stop school shootings, what are you willing to give up next?

[ray55classic]

You can hook your thumb in a belt loop and do the same thing a bump stock will do .

[JB White]

That's right, but the rest of the world doesn't need to know that. If they find out, our side won't look so good giving up something we really didn't ever need. Didn't really ever need like the better mouse trap.
I know it can throw a lot of bullets towards an unarmed hillside. After a few cases of practice ammo and an overheated barrel, some can actually beat down a fair pattern with one. Always standing and exposed. I've never seen anybody use one in the prone position or crouched in heavy cover.

[togor]

True JB but....the bump stocks of today cry out for improvement. Are you going to let the market provide it then try to get the paste back in the tube? This is the question. All they are in essence is a strap-on fire-control linkage. Mucho disadvantages come from making it an external kludge, but put clever people to the task and you might be surprised at what they come up with.

[pcox]

Bump stocks should have been banned long before Las Vegas! I see absolutely no need for one.

Yeah, who the hell needs two barrels on a shotgun?

[JB White]

True JB but....the bump stocks of today cry out for improvement. Are you going to let the market provide it then try to get the paste back in the tube? This is the question. All they are in essence is a strap-on fire-control linkage. Mucho disadvantages come from making it an external kludge, but put clever people to the task and you might be surprised at what they come up with.

Togor, we've all beaten this subject before. In the aftermath of LV. No one on this forum is in 100% total agreement aside from a few here and a few there. Lots of opinions and most are pretty good, but all from different perspectives. Let's face it. If all that happens (and something is going to happen one way or another) all we can do is continue to yak the same repetitive arguments to no end. Nobody who is anybody is going to listen.
We were ten times more unified in the face of the AWB and look where that got us. The only thing that saved us was the expiration date. Granted, the howling kept up so someone had to finally listen...after how many years and how much research into the actual facts and results?

This time we can make a stand for the sake of making a stand. Reality is, when it comes to bump stocks and similar accessories all we can do is wait. Noisily of course. I surely don't have high hopes about those. AR15's for public use, heck yeah! Mag capacity bans, yeah again. Although given the current climate we'd be doing good by saving the rifle and 20 rounders.

[togor]

All good points, JB. I lean towards agreeing with leftyo, that once the genie is out of the bottle, the best you can hope for is to regulate him. So in principle treat bump stocks like MGs. What exactly does that mean in practice? Good question. Like you say, we wait and see. The thread started because the President unexpectedly put them back in the news.

[leftyo]

All good points, JB. I lean towards agreeing with leftyo, that once the genie is out of the bottle, the best you can hope for is to regulate him. So in principle treat bump stocks like MGs. What exactly does that mean in practice? Good question. Like you say, we wait and see. The thread started because the President unexpectedly put them back in the news.

you sure like to put words into my mouth. state your own idea's, and please dont credit them to me, because we are not saying the same thing!

[togor]

you sure like to put words into my mouth. state your own idea's, and please dont credit them to me, because we are not saying the same thing!

Well lefyo surely we agree the bump stock genie is out of the bottle. I guess you disagree with the idea of any regulations on him. OK, my mistake. Apologies.