Meanwhile in Sweden

[togor]

you should be strongly in favor of locking up criminals and keeping them locked up then.

Did you know the USA has about 4% of the world's total population and about 25% of the world's incarcerated population? Locking people up isn't where we're coming up short. And giving everyone a life sentence for every crime because there are guns on the street potentially waiting for them when they get out is no answer either. If we don't want certain people to have guns because of what they might eventually do with them then we need to look at doing things that will make it harder for them to physically acquire guns. Just common sense.

[leftyo]

Did you know the USA has about 4% of the world's total population and about 25% of the world's incarcerated population? Locking people up isn't where we're coming up short. And giving everyone a life sentence for every crime because there are guns on the street potentially waiting for them when they get out is no answer either. If we don't want certain people to have guns because of what they might eventually do with them then we need to look at doing things that will make it harder for them to physically acquire guns. Just common sense.

you think its common sense, but how do you keep a criminal/future criminal from getting a gun? cant wait to hear a simple common sense answer.

[clintonhater]

Did you know the USA has about 4% of the world's total population and about 25% of the world's incarcerated population?

What's wrong with that? Considering the crimes I see reported every evening on the local news, 25% is obviously insufficient. I wonder...do the victims of those crimes think 25% is excessive?

[togor]

you think its common sense, but how do you keep a criminal/future criminal from getting a gun? cant wait to hear a simple common sense answer.

Expand the ethics of firearms safety to include transactions. At the range, everyone trusts everyone else to practice safe handling, and if you don't accept the personal responsibility then you don't belong on the firing line. Extend that logic to firearms transactions. How? Use your imagination. Inconvenient? Well how inconvenient is it to listen to the RSO?

Transactions matter because they're how fresh guns end up in criminal hands to replace the ones lost to police, wear-and-tear, misuse, etc.

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What's wrong with that? Considering the crimes I see reported every evening on the local news, 25% is obviously insufficient. I wonder...do the victims of those crimes think 25% is excessive?

The point was a relative one, that we're not shy about incarceration compared to the world. But it's expensive.

[leftyo]

Expand the ethics of firearms safety to include transactions. At the range, everyone trusts everyone else to practice safe handling, and if you don't accept the personal responsibility then you don't belong on the firing line. Extend that logic to firearms transactions. How? Use your imagination. Inconvenient? Well how inconvenient is it to listen to the RSO?

Transactions matter because they're how fresh guns end up in criminal hands to replace the ones lost to police, wear-and-tear, misuse, etc.

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The point was a relative one, that we're not shy about incarceration compared to the world. But it's expensive.

you dont think criminals steal guns? again you seem to think they obey laws. aint so! so much for your common sense.

[Allen]

The problem is, the law is only enforced against those who have no intention of criminal activity.

Sound familiar ?

[Rock]

Columbine doesn't explain why so many kids are pathologically disturbed--social factors are responsible for that, going back to Dr. Spock in the '50s--but it does explain why white boys have made school shooting their preferred means of revenge on a world that's done them wrong, they think.

Maybe it is because rambunctious, young white males from middle and upper income families, are the most likely to be medicated.

"MEDIA IGNORING 1 CRUCIAL FACTOR IN FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING

Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications. A few of the most high-profile examples, out of many others, include..."

Full Article Here:

http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ign...hool-shooting/

[togor]

you dont think criminals steal guns? again you seem to think they obey laws. aint so! so much for your common sense.

Of course they steal them. They also buy them in unregulated FTF sales, get them through straw purchases, etc, or even legally at first. The paths are well known. I argue that doing nothing to interdict some of these flows presents a long term risk of a blowback. Yes I know there is a sizable constituency that worries about the "government knowing what they have" and so resists any additional steps in gun transactions. I argue if they're coming for you, then a few guns either way will make zero difference.

[leftyo]

Of course they steal them. They also buy them in unregulated FTF sales, get them through straw purchases, etc, or even legally at first. The paths are well known. I argue that doing nothing to interdict some of these flows presents a long term risk of a blowback. Yes I know there is a sizable constituency that worries about the "government knowing what they have" and so resists any additional steps in gun transactions. I argue if they're coming for you, then a few guns either way will make zero difference.

yup, but it sure isnt as common sense as you said. sadly we have folks like sandpebble who straw purchase for others. would be nice if creeps like that didnt exist, but sadly even if they didnt, those that choose to break the laws are going to find a way. i still stand by more laws and regulations will have little to no affect. we already dont enforce some 20,000 firearms laws, and when they are they are just used as toss outs in court for those who commit heinous crimes.

[togor]

I'll boil it down to 2 things. Only sell to people who pass a background check. Keep records of all firearms sold, including buyer ID, so that if God Forbid law enforcement needs to trace your old firearm after a crime, you'll be in a position to assist.

[blackhawknj]

They should introduce a grenade with an instantaneous fuse.

[kickshot7]

i thought i hard leftist say control worked in Europe ?

[leftyo]

I'll boil it down to 2 things. Only sell to people who pass a background check. Keep records of all firearms sold, including buyer ID, so that if God Forbid law enforcement needs to trace your old firearm after a crime, you'll be in a position to assist.

thats all great, but we still have folks like our forum strawman, and outright thieves. imo what you suggest is all great and wonderful, but wont change a thing.

[blackhawknj]

Gustavus Adolphus is rolling in his grave.

[dryheat]

Build a wall.
I have to think of everything.