Military Taking Women's Role Seriously

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  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #16
    Not missing the point Sam. I've spent enough of my days climbing up and down mountains to understand that men can carry more gear. But for most missions in today's military, this doesn't matter. Some yes, but most, no. I also don't underestimate the role that heart plays in rough country. Some women are damned tough, both inside and out. And if they want to serve, and can serve, then why not let them.

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    • JB White
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 13371

      #17
      Some women are damned tough, both inside and out.
      Keyword: *Some*

      I've worked both demolition and construction with some of those women. I'd have them as a partner anytime. They knew the job and they did the job. They watched out for me and I for them. But...that was only some. The rest would have been fired on the first day if they had something swinging 'tween their legs. Useless POS taking another mans job who needed it to feed a family, instead of being there to show how "equal" they were. They may have been there making equal pay for equal time, but they surely couldn't do equal work. I couldn't trust them as a partner and because of EEO regs we couldn't send them down the road. So, they get easier jobs that older guys or injured guys used to get. The ones who actually 'paid their dues' and earned a bit of a break. The ones not working because SOME other women MUST be retained to prove a PC point.
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      • S.A. Boggs
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 8568

        #18
        Originally posted by togor
        Not missing the point Sam. I've spent enough of my days climbing up and down mountains to understand that men can carry more gear. But for most missions in today's military, this doesn't matter. Some yes, but most, no. I also don't underestimate the role that heart plays in rough country. Some women are damned tough, both inside and out. And if they want to serve, and can serve, then why not let them.
        Do the women become sterile in combat, think about it for awhile and let it sink in. Tents and sleeping bags are not always available, how does two people keep warm in this situation? In rough situations humans will reduce from the Ego-altruistic mode and into the Id, mix the sexes together in close habitation...need I say more?
        Sam

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #19
          Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
          Do the women become sterile in combat, think about it for awhile and let it sink in. Tents and sleeping bags are not always available, how does two people keep warm in this situation? In rough situations humans will reduce from the Ego-altruistic mode and into the Id, mix the sexes together in close habitation...need I say more?
          Sam
          Sounds like you want to say more. We have a professional military, and professionals are trained to handle sh*t.

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          • clintonhater
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 5220

            #20
            Originally posted by JB White
            So, they get easier jobs that older guys or injured guys used to get.
            On highway construction jobs requiring flaggers, guess who almost always gets that job, if there's 1 or 2 PC-hires on the crew? And on road work in this union-controlled state, where the work rules for all trades are written BY the unions, even the most trivial maintenance work being done 20 or more ft off on the shoulder MUST have its full crew of flaggers!

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            • S.A. Boggs
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 8568

              #21
              Originally posted by togor
              Sounds like you want to say more. We have a professional military, and professionals are trained to handle sh*t.
              I know people, A+B=C. If females want to serve, why in a mixed unit? On the average females will usually be at a disadvantage in a physical encounter. What about the marriage relationship of a wife who's husband is in a mixed unit found in a combat situation? Will this improve morale at all??? Get serious, heterosexual people can and will find ways to, shall we say enjoy each other's compliments. What will this do for unit cohesion if this situation develops?
              Sam

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #22
                Two examples, Sam. First: drone pilot. The gig is basically a combination of call center and video sim, with lethal firepower unleashed at the click of a mouse. Do we really need ladies' only units for this?

                Second: infantry. Deployed where? As usual, in some backwards Muslim area, where the cultural rules for separating the sexes go beyond anything even you would propose. A female soldier or marine who can speak Arabic or Pashto or whatever--worth their weight in grenades or not? Who cares if she can't carry a bunch of extra SAW belts like the men. When it comes time for someone to get info out of the local women (in what village do the women NOT know what is going on?), that female soldier is extremely valuable. Would an entire company of women be as combat effective against a nearby Taliban unit? No, obviously. But mixed units, as an extension of the idea of Combined Arms, is a good idea. It becomes the job of Leadership to make sure everyone keeps it in their pants.

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                • blackhawknj
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 3754

                  #23
                  We have a professional military only in the sense that people are paid for, not because they are any good at it. They've been working on the Coed Millitary for over 40 years, they CAN'T get it to work. How many stories do we hear of senior officers getting into problems due to "improper" relationships with subordinates, and women get "No Respect" when they trade sexual favors for preferential treatment, use female only excuses such as time of the month and pregnancy to avoid unpleasant assignments, and are held to different -and more lenient- standards.
                  The same reasons for not having a Coed Military are the same ones a Marine Reservist gave when he told a reporter why homosexuals should not be allowed to serve:
                  "You only have to work with them. We have to LIVE with them !"

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                  • Vern Humphrey
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 15875

                    #24
                    I have no sympathy for an officer who gets in trouble for having sex with a female soldier. But I have no use whatsoever for an "Infantryperson" who can't carry a full combat load, or for an "Artilleryperson" who can't hump a 155 shell into the breech.

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                    • S.A. Boggs
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 8568

                      #25
                      Originally posted by togor
                      Two examples, Sam. First: drone pilot. The gig is basically a combination of call center and video sim, with lethal firepower unleashed at the click of a mouse. Do we really need ladies' only units for this?

                      Second: infantry. Deployed where? As usual, in some backwards Muslim area, where the cultural rules for separating the sexes go beyond anything even you would propose. A female soldier or marine who can speak Arabic or Pashto or whatever--worth their weight in grenades or not? Who cares if she can't carry a bunch of extra SAW belts like the men. When it comes time for someone to get info out of the local women (in what village do the women NOT know what is going on?), that female soldier is extremely valuable. Would an entire company of women be as combat effective against a nearby Taliban unit? No, obviously. But mixed units, as an extension of the idea of Combined Arms, is a good idea. It becomes the job of Leadership to make sure everyone keeps it in their pants.
                      Togor, have you ever been in a tense, personal situation where someone can and does get hurt?
                      Sam

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                      • Roadkingtrax
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 7835

                        #26
                        Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
                        Togor, have you ever been in a tense, personal situation where someone can and does get hurt?
                        Sam
                        Like church?
                        "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                        • S.A. Boggs
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 8568

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                          Like church?
                          Or your house.
                          Sam

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                          • Roadkingtrax
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 7835

                            #28
                            Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
                            Or your house.
                            Sam
                            I don't care to be propositioned Samantha. Keep that behavior in Ohio where it belongs.
                            "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                            • S.A. Boggs
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 8568

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                              I don't care to be propositioned Samantha. Keep that behavior in Ohio where it belongs.
                              Touchy aren't we Elwood!
                              Sam

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                              • togor
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 17610

                                #30
                                Boggs you have your opinion, and the DoD has theirs. Write your congressman if you have a beef.

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