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  • dogtag
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 14985

    #1

    So Bowie, Crockett Travis and company were not Heroes ? ...

    Whoever it was at this Texas school is probably confused.
    He or she may think that the Alamo was just a movie with
    John Wayne and Lawrence Harvey so how could actors
    in a make believe movie be heroes.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...o-classes.html

    With the pitiful state of our present educational system,
    and it's teachers, my thought might not be so far off the mark.
  • sid
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 3198

    #2
    +1 on that.

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    • Vern Humphrey
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 15875

      #3
      Is there a shortage of rope in Texas? Is that why these bung holes are still unhung?

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      • JB White
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 13371

        #4
        Where do they come off claiming all the Texicans were white and all the Mexicans were brown?
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        • blackhawknj
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 3754

          #5
          A Leftist's idea of a hero is someone who "comes out", defies social norms, etc. The idea of someone willing to go in Harm's Way for what they believe in is totally alien to them.

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          • Vern Humphrey
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 15875

            #6
            There were Mexicans and African-Americans fighting as Texans in the Alamo. Tom, Travis' body servant fought shoulder-to-shoulder with the other defenders, but was spared by the Mexicans because he was Black.

            Emily D. West, the Yellow Rose of Texas, who held Santa Anna in dalliance to give Houston time to prepare his attack, was an African-American.

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            • Mark in Ottawa
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 1744

              #7
              They may have behaved in a heroic manner from a military point of view but one should not forget that they were in what was then Mexico and they were in fact committing treason. The Mexicans were within their rights, as universally understood at the time, to execute all of them.

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              • Vern Humphrey
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 15875

                #8
                Originally posted by Mark in Ottawa
                They may have behaved in a heroic manner from a military point of view but one should not forget that they were in what was then Mexico and they were in fact committing treason. The Mexicans were within their rights, as universally understood at the time, to execute all of them.
                Nonsense -- they were defending the Mexican Constitution of 1824 and their rights under that Constitution. They no more committed treason than George Washington did.

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                • JB White
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 13371

                  #9
                  True. They fought beneath the Mexican flag having the ratification year on the white.

                  Do you know why Generalissimo Santa Anna used 1500 soldiers to attack only 200 Texans? He only had two Chevys.
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                  • m1ashooter
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 3220

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mark in Ottawa
                    They may have behaved in a heroic manner from a military point of view but one should not forget that they were in what was then Mexico and they were in fact committing treason. The Mexicans were within their rights, as universally understood at the time, to execute all of them.
                    Yep the defenders of the Alamo were killed in battle and those that survived were executed. The men that surrendered at Goliad were killed by orders of the President of Mexico, Santa Anna. Santa Anna thought this would terrorize the people of Texas and stop the rebellion. He thought like he was bullying Mexican peasants but these men were not peasants as he found out at the Battle of San Jacinto where the men of the Texas Army slaughtered over 650 of Santa Anna's army while yelling Remember the Alamo and Goliad. So while a few misguided members of the education board want to take out the word heroic from the books you can rest easy that its not going to happen. The Alamo is sacred ground in Texas.
                    To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy

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                    • dryheat
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 10587

                      #11
                      History is like a river, there are swells and eddies(mine).
                      If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                      • S.A. Boggs
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 8578

                        #12
                        Maybe it would be more to their liking to study serf Obama bowing down to the Saudi King, something no real American would think of doing!
                        Sam

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                        • Clark Howard
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 2105

                          #13
                          Dems are like rats. You can find them in most places. Regards, Clark

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                          • clintonhater
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 5220

                            #14
                            Originally posted by RED
                            What it is, is history. Nobody alive today can change it.
                            Nobody alive today can change what happened in the past, but changing what people BELIEVE about the past is not only possible, it's fairly easy to accomplish if the public school system begins a program of indoctrination at an early age--that's exactly what this school board was hoping to get away with. That board may be thwarted in this case, but indoctrination into other liberal beliefs & values is an intrinsic part of the public school curriculum in every part of the country--such as school text books that minimize the deeds of the Founding Fathers in order to glorify such liberal icons as the "King" of demagogues.

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                            • rayg
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 7444

                              #15
                              Originally posted by RED
                              So what are you saying... that the Texas Revolution was illegitimate and Texas should still be part of Mexico. You could make the same case the American Revolution was illegitimate and and the United States should still be part of the British Empire. What it is, is history. Nobody alive today can change it. You could completely destroy the Alamo and it wouldn't change history one bit. ISIS blew up the Buddhist Statues of Bamiyan in Afghanistan but they didn't change history. I also doubt the idea of executing prisoners taken in battle was "universally understood," at the time. I don't recall it happening in the American Revolution, the Napoleonic wars (Waterloo), the war of 1812, or the Civil War in the U.S. And yes, any battle fought against overwhelming odds can be looked upon as heroic. That goes all the way back to the Trojan Wars.

                              Great post Red........Ray

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