Gun control again?

[Allen]

Don't forget 9-11. Thousands killed. No guns used. No talk of banning planes or muslims. Not mental health issues, just enemies of this country.

As far as mental health goes perhaps none of us are perfect especially as we grow older. I mean, what's perfect? What's normal? Is todays normal the same as yesterdays normal? Are those judging us normal?

[S.A. Boggs]

But as you said, the drugs can themselves lead to aberrant behavior. And frankly, there is no proof that mental illness is the cause of violence. There is, however strong evidence that culture is linked to violence - witness all the inner city shootings.

Vern and M1A are both correct in their assessment.
Sam

[togor]

Please elucidate. You are being far more obtuse than usual. Usually your comments are much easier to understand, even if not to agree with.

Mr. Peef wrote "where there is a will there is a way". Straightforward observation that will alone is no guarantee of outcome.

[S.A. Boggs]

Mr. Peef wrote "where there is a will there is a way". Straightforward observation that will alone is no guarantee of outcome.

Yea, but whose way I wonder?
Sam

[dryheat]

I'm not a mental health expert but I do sometimes think I have a huge amount of common sense and an understanding of history. The problem isn't about the access of firearms and the need for more gun control laws, although some claim it is. Prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act we had millions of combat veterans from WW2, Korea and Vietnam in our population and you could buy military surplus small arms through mail order with out a background check. I'd say its fair to say a portion of that population suffered from PTSD. Yet these men did not go into schools, bars etc and shoot them up. We also had at the time state psychiatric hospitals to deal with the problems of mental health. Over time many have been shut down due to budget issues and some were just horrible places to be. So what is different today then then.

We have many different gun laws on the books. Do these laws stop the people from mass shootings? No they don't. So tell me why these things happen. At the beginning of this thread it was stated that one of the reasons could be the lack of mental health programs available for those in need. I say that is the path we should be taking. What are the drugs that these shooters are on? What are the side effects of these drugs. One of the reasons the state hospitals were closed was the advancements of drugs to treat mental health issues are these drugs the problem's. Everyday veterans kill themselves, are the drugs they have been prescribed the reason?

The 1968 Gun Control Act was the political solution to the murder of JFK by Oswald using a surplus piece of crap Italian surplus rifle. By the way I don't think he did it. Why not a M1 Grand, or a 1903 Springfield or an M1 Carbine? Then Bobby was shot by an Arab with a handgun. Doctor King is said to have been murdered by a career criminal with a commercial hunting rifle. So why all the new gun laws.


Then we start treating everyone with a potential mental health issue with drugs. One of my neighbors kids was being treated for depression and given a drug that has potential side effects of suicide thoughts. Well he went out into the woods one night and shot himself in the head and by the grace of God lived. So again I come back to the issue of mental health and the treatment or lack of treatment for our population.

In my opinion the path to solving our mass shooting issue is a mental health one and not more gun control. Gun laws are a cheap solution but will not solve the real issue.

Good, well thought out post. I'm guilty of slapping out smart responses.

[RED]

I don't recall seeing the motion come up for a vote in our mob democracy. Your collective responsibility argument falls flat. What next? Collective punishment?

What a irrelevant piss ass reply from a collective oriented Socialist/Communist low life piece of human debris.

Just my opinion.

[Roadkingtrax]

What a irrelevant piss ass reply from a collective oriented Socialist/Communist low life piece of human debris.

Just my opinion.

Red, you bring the forum down.

Not opinion, but Fact.

[blackhawknj]

Define "mental health" ? In the 1960s the Soviets dealt with dissidents by declaring them "crazy". Get a government powerful enough it will use "mental health" as an all purpose excuse to curtail civil liberties, deal with groups it doesn't like, etc.

[S.A. Boggs]

Define "mental health" ? In the 1960s the Soviets dealt with dissidents by declaring them "crazy". Get a government powerful enough it will use "mental health" as an all purpose excuse to curtail civil liberties, deal with groups it doesn't like, etc.

This is the danger of "mental health", psych hospitals are locked for a reason. We have to be constantly on guard for those "good wishers" to do the same laws to humans as is done to firearms. The Constitution was put in place to protect one from government and is lost if one expects government to protect them. This is why the Supreme Court apparently ruled that the police do not have to protect the individual only society in general.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Define "mental health" ? In the 1960s the Soviets dealt with dissidents by declaring them "crazy". Get a government powerful enough it will use "mental health" as an all purpose excuse to curtail civil liberties, deal with groups it doesn't like, etc.

And if you think that can't and won't happen here, you're dreaming!

[lyman]

And if you think that can't and won't happen here, you're dreaming!

didn't it happen years ago,

we had sterilization of the mentally handicapped,
lobotomies,

who knows what else,


then the mental health reform put a lot of the folks on the street, or in 1/2 way houses,

various drugs to 'help' are used incorrectly or have side effects,
add that up with a lack of reporting (NICS) when needed ,

and a lack of understanding (tho much improved over the past) how the brain works and you have issues,


tie that in with the Culture changes and it gets worse,


I am no expert, and have not an idea how to make it better, but am smart enough to know gun control is not working,

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What a irrelevant piss ass reply from a collective oriented Socialist/Communist low life piece of human debris.

Just my opinion.

7 pages of commentary, and that is all you can add??????????

[Allen]

didn't it happen years ago,

we had sterilization of the mentally handicapped,
lobotomies,

who knows what else,


then the mental health reform put a lot of the folks on the street, or in 1/2 way houses,

These people are now known as the DNC.

[lyman]

These people are now known as the DNC.

true

[S.A. Boggs]

These people are now known as the DNC.

Very true!
Sam