Global warming is about to get extremely cold ...

[togor]

Perhaps the most stupid thing I have ever read. So global warming:



So what happened to your last theory that Trump, hair spray, and SUV's caused global warming?

Agitate, agitate, agitate, twist and turn, hate and burn

I hope you get a "mix of legionella," for Christmas.

Will have a go at straightening you out Red, but nothing has worked so far so hopes are not high.

People talking about geologic time scales for climate change is silly for the simple reason that we don't live on geologic timescales. Our civilization arose in the blink of an eye, geologically speaking, in a climate that has been very stable. Plants domesticated thousands of years ago are still viable because the growing seasons hardly changed. Now we've dug deep and pulled carbon out of the ground and put it in the atmosphere, such that the atmospheric CO2 levels are 160% of their mean value for the last few thousand years, during the time that we stopped being exclusively dependent on hunting & gathering and started growing our own food. Carbon that was in the ground is now carbon in the atmosphere. And the science of how CO2 traps radiated infrared is long known. So sunlight hits the ground, re-radiates in the IR spectrum but instead of escaping to space it heats the atmosphere that little bit more. CO2 also gets absorbed in the oceans and affects pH levels and such.

So we're pushing the climate very quickly away from a steady state point to which our civilization has adapted. The lower latitudes have been affected by that, and it disrupts the cycles of life in less developed areas that are closer to carrying capacity. That makes people for example want to get to Europe, or the United States, moving north in latitude. The given proximal cause for leaving might be war or lack of jobs, but an underlying contributing factor is the disruptions produced by crop failures or natural disasters.

So someone decides they're going to be sanguine about dramatic changes in our climate that push it outside of the envelope that has sustained civilization, I guess on the logic that if we're all doomed, then hey it was a good ride. But at the same time I hear the talk about how bad it is if the wrong people get over the border or a dead person is still listed on the voter rolls. To me it's a little like having your basement be on fire, smelling the smoke coming up from it, but ignoring it because the front door dead bolt doesn't lock.

Anyways, "Happy Holidays", bud.

[Jiminvirginia]

Got to hand it to you for hanging in there togor.......it's all about marketing. When the global warming stuff hit the streets the streets the first thing out of believing politicians mouths were "raise taxes, buy carbon credits, blah, blah, blah". Any hope of saving the planet died right there. It is effectively a dead issue no longer worthy of serious discussion. What will happen will happen.

[Vern Humphrey]

Got to hand it to you for hanging in there togor.......it's all about marketing. When the global warming stuff hit the streets the streets the first thing out of believing politicians mouths were "raise taxes, buy carbon credits, blah, blah, blah". Any hope of saving the planet died right there. It is effectively a dead issue no longer worthy of serious discussion. What will happen will happen.

You are exactly right! If we are having global warming (and we have had it in the past, over and over) for us to think we can REVERSE it, or even slow it is hubris bordering on insanity.

The last time we had global warming, the Medieval Warm Period. it turned out to be a GOOD thing. The earth was more fruitful and life friendly. When the Medieval Warm Period ended and the Little Ice Age set in, hunger became the standard. Some experts think the Little Ice Age, and the consequential poor nutrition and people huddling for warmth is what made the Black Plague so deadly.

Common sense would tell us to work on finding out what will be good and what will be bad, and preparing to capitalize on the good and mitigate the bad.

[Jiminvirginia]

We should work on polluting the planet as low as reasonably possible. If climate change is human caused it took at least 150 years to get here. We should assume it will take a 150 years to "reverse" it. What happens before then? That train has already left the station.

[Vern Humphrey]

We should work on polluting the planet as low as reasonably possible. If climate change is human caused it took at least 150 years to get here. We should assume it will take a 150 years to "reverse" it. What happens before then? That train has already left the station.

I agree we should not pollute the planet -- but the two things are not related. Reducing pollution won't reverse global warming -- and a lot of schemes to reduce pollution actually produce more pollution.

[lyman]

Will have a go at straightening you out Red, but nothing has worked so far so hopes are not high.

People talking about geologic time scales for climate change is silly for the simple reason that we don't live on geologic timescales. Our civilization arose in the blink of an eye, geologically speaking, in a climate that has been very stable. Plants domesticated thousands of years ago are still viable because the growing seasons hardly changed. Now we've dug deep and pulled carbon out of the ground and put it in the atmosphere, such that the atmospheric CO2 levels are 160% of their mean value for the last few thousand years, during the time that we stopped being exclusively dependent on hunting & gathering and started growing our own food. Carbon that was in the ground is now carbon in the atmosphere. And the science of how CO2 traps radiated infrared is long known. So sunlight hits the ground, re-radiates in the IR spectrum but instead of escaping to space it heats the atmosphere that little bit more. CO2 also gets absorbed in the oceans and affects pH levels and such.

So we're pushing the climate very quickly away from a steady state point to which our civilization has adapted. The lower latitudes have been affected by that, and it disrupts the cycles of life in less developed areas that are closer to carrying capacity. That makes people for example want to get to Europe, or the United States, moving north in latitude. The given proximal cause for leaving might be war or lack of jobs, but an underlying contributing factor is the disruptions produced by crop failures or natural disasters.

So someone decides they're going to be sanguine about dramatic changes in our climate that push it outside of the envelope that has sustained civilization, I guess on the logic that if we're all doomed, then hey it was a good ride. But at the same time I hear the talk about how bad it is if the wrong people get over the border or a dead person is still listed on the voter rolls. To me it's a little like having your basement be on fire, smelling the smoke coming up from it, but ignoring it because the front door dead bolt doesn't lock.

Anyways, "Happy Holidays", bud.

I'll admit I have some issues with the math in this post,

trees\greenery etc using CO2,

more trees now in the US than 200+ yrs ago,

but I am tired at the moment and will go to bed instead,,,

[S.A. Boggs]

You are exactly right! If we are having global warming (and we have had it in the past, over and over) for us to think we can REVERSE it, or even slow it is hubris bordering on insanity.

The last time we had global warming, the Medieval Warm Period. it turned out to be a GOOD thing. The earth was more fruitful and life friendly. When the Medieval Warm Period ended and the Little Ice Age set in, hunger became the standard. Some experts think the Little Ice Age, and the consequential poor nutrition and people huddling for warmth is what made the Black Plague so deadly.

Common sense would tell us to work on finding out what will be good and what will be bad, and preparing to capitalize on the good and mitigate the bad.

Vern, you are so wrong again! Remember the warm period melted the polar ice caps and flooded Europe and North America, Polar Bears were seen in New York City! Greenland was, people were able to live and farm there. Really Vern, do you want this to happen again? Have you taken leave of your sense, carbon tax is needed to fuel the "social" giving's of the NSAWP. How else can they feel good about their programs of social giving's to the poor? IMHO follow the money! Remember, more carbon in the air=>THC levels! With the medical cannabis <CO2 levels will work against this.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

I never looked at it that way!

[S.A. Boggs]

Right now with this "global warming" I am using up to 18 fuel bricks per day, @ this rate I am going to have to order two more pallets to add to the 4 that I now have. There are 6 bricks per bag and 96 bags per pallet.
Sam