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  • RED
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11689

    #1

    Trump says there are Obama Judges

    President Trump on Wednesday insisted that the nation does in fact have “Obama judges,” the latest remarks in the back and forth disagreement over the matter with Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts.


    Maybe just a few... Here they are:

  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #2
    ....and Chief Justice Roberts fired a broadside at him. Trump wants to remake the government in his own image, on the logic that all organs owe personal loyalty to him. I call that anti-American and most of the country agrees with me on that point.

    Out of curiousity...lots of red state guys here on the forum, and lots of Trump rallies in red states. Has any forum member attended a Trump rally in person? Can they give a report?

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    • bruce
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 3759

      #3
      Have never attended a rally for any candidate. No interest. Stump stuff is just not my thing. Voted Trump for one reason ... put conservative judges on the fed. judiciary and the SCOTUS. Same reason I vote Republican at the state level for governor, ... put conservatives in positions of power both in administration and judiciary. Are there squatter justices? Of course there are. Two of them sit on the SCOTUS. Now there are two justices on the SCOTUS that are not squatter justices. That is just as American as allowing the squatter to pack the court with his partisan supporters. Roberts is still infected with idealism. Hopefully reality will knock that foolishness out of him. In war, the only rule is win. Conservatives need to focus on winning. Fiddling around with marginal concerns will only give the enemy time to regroup and attack. Now is the time to push as many conservatives as possible onto the courts at every possible level. It will not suit some. Fine. Can't make everyone happy. Focus on winning. Later ... can work out the details. But first, absolutely must win. That is job number one. Win. Then ... whatever needs to be done ... do it. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
      " Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."

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      • clintonhater
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 5220

        #4
        Originally posted by togor
        ....and Chief Justice Roberts fired a broadside at him.
        It takes an outrageous liar or a flagrant fool to assert that judges never decide cases on the basis of their own political agendas! He's saying it's a mere coincidence that all the judges appointed by Obama "just happened" to be as liberal as Obama?

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        • blackhawknj
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 3754

          #5
          The Liberals quack that there are Trump judges-look at the fight over the Kavanaugh nomination.
          And when did judges become exempt from criticism ?

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          • togor
            Banned
            • Nov 2009
            • 17610

            #6
            Roberts is looking at the big picture, as is Trump, and so should we.

            Judges are fallible and our Judicial Branch, like the other two, is not perfect. But if someone is going to tear at it as Trump is doing by questioning the basic integrity of it, the question has to be asked: if they would tear it down, with what would they replace it? Trump is not ambiguous on that point. He wants people who are personally loyal to him. As Americans, believers in our system as being the best for self-governance in the world (if still not perfect), we are supposed to reflexively reject that. We are supposed to have it woven into our civic DNA that no single man is supposed to stand out to that degree, that we place the Constitution before the interests of any single person.

            That's what rubs me the wrong way about the hard core Trumpists--they want a dictator but don't have the balls to admit it. Never do you see them applaud institutional limits placed on Trump's power. Always, it's bitch bitch bitch when Trump runs into a brick wall.
            Last edited by togor; 11-22-2018, 05:11.

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            • Major Tom
              Very Senior Member - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 6181

              #7
              [QUOTE=togor;544467]..... Trump wants to remake the government in his own image,

              And Obama didn't do the same thing?

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              • p246
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 2216

                #8
                There are Judges that believe the Constitution is as currently written and try to adhere to it. Then there are Judges who believe it can be tweeked with the swing of a gavel. Personally I prefer the first because there is a process in place to change the Constitution and it’s not by a few appointed people. We see the results at the state level also. Each party does it, and when they do the other party screams foul. Once again the flaws of the divisive two party system on full display.

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                • clintonhater
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 5220

                  #9
                  Originally posted by togor
                  Roberts is looking at the big picture, as is Trump, and so should we.

                  Judges are fallible and our Judicial Branch, like the other two, is not perfect. But if someone is going to tear at it as Trump is doing by questioning the basic integrity of it, the question has to be asked: if they would tear it down, with what would they replace it?
                  Roberts is an ivory-tower egghead too blinded by idealistic abstractions to see the real world as it is.

                  Trump is doing the country a great service BY "questioning the basic integrity of it"! By refusing blindly to pretend, as fool Roberts does, that cases are settled impartially, strictly on their legal merits...by putting the lie to this monstrous hypocrisy! Finding totally objective & impartial judges may be, probably is, impossible, but society should AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH that decisions are very often based on the judge's personal political & cultural biases. It's Roberts who harms the country by pretending otherwise.

                  Obama didn't have to face brick walls, so why shouldn't Trump complain when the left-wing fed judges who hate him do everything within their power to nullify his presidency? They know that YEARS may pass before the Supremes have time to hear an appeal.

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                  • RED
                    Very Senior Member - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 11689

                    #10
                    How come the reversal rate for rulings for all the Federal Courts that are manned and controlled by Obama appointees is 70%? Over 2/3rds of their rulings that were appealed to SCOTUS were wrong!

                    Many more of their rulings were not appealed because the litigants lacked the resources to do so. These judges are political hacks that don't give a damn about the law or Constitution and their rulings are based solely on political considerations. The proof is in the numbers.

                    Every thing that Trump does is sent to these kangaroo courts and he loses every time. But those rulings are just flat out wrong. John Roberts should be impeached and removed because he just admitted that the present outlaw courts are perfectly fine although they are wrong over 2/3rds of the time.

                    From 2010 to 2015, of the cases it accepted to review, the Supreme Court reversed around 79 percent of the cases from the Ninth Circuit, ranking its reversal rate third among the circuits; the median reversal rate for all federal circuits for the same time period was around 70 percent.
                    Look it up on www.americanbar.com
                    Last edited by RED; 11-22-2018, 02:09.

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                    • Roadkingtrax
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 7835

                      #11
                      Red, hope you're have a good holiday.

                      Please refrain from defending Trump (again) and go have a huge romaine salad of questionable origin.
                      "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                      • clintonhater
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 5220

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Roadkingtrax

                        Please refrain from defending Trump (again) and go have a huge romaine salad of questionable origin.
                        Brilliant refutation of his point about the consistent, knee-jerk, bias of that court--which is confirmed beyond doubt by overturns from the Supremes.

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                        • Roadkingtrax
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 7835

                          #13
                          Originally posted by clintonhater
                          Brilliant refutation of his point about the consistent, knee-jerk, bias of that court--which is confirmed beyond doubt by overturns from the Supremes.
                          Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.

                          Trump is just a bag of wind, and you know it.
                          "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                          • blackhawknj
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 3754

                            #14
                            "It is a very dangerous doctrine to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions. It is one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy."
                            Thomas Jefferson, letter to W. C. Jarvis, 1820

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                            • Roadkingtrax
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 7835

                              #15
                              The arguments over the tenants of judicial review, both positive and negative, long predate the current executive figure head. Some would argue it is just those reviews that are in place to preserve the constitution against a person who might otherwise prefer to rule as a tyrant. There is nothing new here.
                              "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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