The benefits of raising the minimum wage

[lyman]

More stupidity...

Girls and boys have sex and that goes back a million years. Back when America was great, when a boy got a girl pregnant they got married. Today marriage is frowned open... that means the daddy has to support the kid... That's BS today because if they don't get married the single mother of a bastard gets more money and benefits from the Federal and State welfare than if she had no kid and was working. The daddy walks away free and clear.

It don't take long term financial planning to do the right thing. But people like you with no moral substance think it is a government problem.

Hate and burn, twist and turn, a complete lack of moral values, don't know right from wrong, hopes our country will collapse, and come back as George Orwell predicted.

Red the objective reality is that poor people aren't the best at weighing long term consequences to short term acts. You know this but just want to argue for the fun of it.

spent 4 yrs running a store in the hood,

when churches have classes to teach the folks in the hood how to milk the system (get more benefits ) and when kids are had not cause they are a happy family, but because it raises the income,
that is when the system needs to change,


not joking, not lying, not even exaggerating, watched it happen, heard first hand about the classes.
even had folks working part time, that only wanted to work mon\wed\fri 10a to 2pm, then complain they were not getting full time wages, so they filed for partial unemployment,
these same folks were adamant about NOT changing their availability to get more hours,, (thus more $$)
some got the unemployment, no matter what paperwork was filed,,,,


if the system was changed so those that needed help got what they needed, not a penny more, and ways and means to move on and ahead in life were taught, vs how to maintain the graft, they world would be a better place

[S.A. Boggs]

spent 4 yrs running a store in the hood,

when churches have classes to teach the folks in the hood how to milk the system (get more benefits ) and when kids are had not cause they are a happy family, but because it raises the income,
that is when the system needs to change,


not joking, not lying, not even exaggerating, watched it happen, heard first hand about the classes.
even had folks working part time, that only wanted to work mon\wed\fri 10a to 2pm, then complain they were not getting full time wages, so they filed for partial unemployment,
these same folks were adamant about NOT changing their availability to get more hours,, (thus more $$)
some got the unemployment, no matter what paperwork was filed,,,,


if the system was changed so those that needed help got what they needed, not a penny more, and ways and means to move on and ahead in life were taught, vs how to maintain the graft, they world would be a better place

Had similar problems trying to get clients off of the welfare role to the employment role. Some leftist counselors told them not to work as the client would lose benefits and the counselor a client. FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL and see where it goes. Had clients whose only mental illness was aversion to work and drug abuse. Personally I feel that welfare could be cut 30% as there is planned waste so that "helpers" can have a job. I wanted to teach the client to fish, others wanted to run the government funded store for the "needy" ones.
Sam

[Clark Howard]

If the minimum wage is to be raised every time inflation picks our pockets, then long term capital gains should be indexed to the inflation rate also. Regards, Clark

[RED]

Red the objective reality is that poor people aren't the best at weighing long term consequences to short term acts. You know this but just want to argue for the fun of it.

More lies and BS. I grew up far poorer than you can imagine and worked my butt off to do better. Your blanket statement, "that poor people aren't the best at weighing long term consequences to short term acts." is just more proof that you are an egotistic, arrogant jackass. Contrary to your opinion, not all poor people are stupid, but you look down on them all with disdain, scorn, and disparagement., What a real piece of work you are.

[togor]

Geeze Red that bug up your ass must be laying eggs or something. Almost like you've been saving up to go on a tirade. Well whatever, pal. And I doubt you really want to get into a discussion about the poor. You just want to argue. Our arguing won't make anyone less poor, so why do it.

[lyman]

Had similar problems trying to get clients off of the welfare role to the employment role. Some leftist counselors told them not to work as the client would lose benefits and the counselor a client. FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL and see where it goes. Had clients whose only mental illness was aversion to work and drug abuse. Personally I feel that welfare could be cut 30% as there is planned waste so that "helpers" can have a job. I wanted to teach the client to fish, others wanted to run the government funded store for the "needy" ones.
Sam

had a lady slip and fall,
her fault, not a thing we could have done to prevent it, simply an accident,

she returned to work the next day, all was well,

suddenly she had to leave, then proceeded to go to a few 'local' 'specialist' who had her out of work ,

took a week or more to get her back in the store to simply do the workers comp paperwork,

we contested it, since she was bringing in new dr's bills etc every week wanting them covered, (using a doc out of the coverage plan for workers comp, and likely a quack)

5 months go by and she is cleared for work, returned a week, and quit,

[lyman]

Geeze Red that bug up your ass must be laying eggs or something. Almost like you've been saving up to go on a tirade. Well whatever, pal. And I doubt you really want to get into a discussion about the poor. You just want to argue. Our arguing won't make anyone less poor, so why do it.

he does have a point,

Red the objective reality is that poor people aren't the best at weighing long term consequences to short term acts.

while that statement holds merit, fact is it is because they either don't have the experiences or guidance to help them, (system tends to maintain, not improve them) or the social pressures to get a better paying job, or a job in general

change the social conditions (if that is possible, ) where poor is a way of living, (subsidized) ,


I'll give you an example,

I watched a young lady use her EBT card for the first time one day,
she was 18-19 yrs old,
her mother, maybe mid 30's, and grandmother, (may 50's) were with her and treating the use of that card like the first time she had a drivers license or keys to a car,

I found it shocking the family was excited she was on EBT, instead of helping her stay off it,

[Vern Humphrey]

he does have a point,

Red the objective reality is that poor people aren't the best at weighing long term consequences to short term acts.

while that statement holds merit, fact is it is because they either don't have the experiences or guidance to help them, (system tends to maintain, not improve them) or the social pressures to get a better paying job, or a job in general

change the social conditions (if that is possible, ) where poor is a way of living, (subsidized) ,


I'll give you an example,

I watched a young lady use her EBT card for the first time one day,
she was 18-19 yrs old,
her mother, maybe mid 30's, and grandmother, (may 50's) were with her and treating the use of that card like the first time she had a drivers license or keys to a car,

I found it shocking the family was excited she was on EBT, instead of helping her stay off it,

She might well have had her great-grandmother there. Welfare has become a way of life, and economic strategy for a large number of people.

I remember the debates during the Johnson Administration -- reasonable people predicted this would happen, but were told "it's for the children." Fast-forward 55 years and twice as many children are living in poverty, and there's no end in sight.

[lyman]

^^ no , it was mom and grandmom,

betting great grandma would have been there if she could

[RED]

What bothers me is the lumping of all poor people into one category. Not all people who are poor are also stupid. Just because you saw a stupid person having problems with a EBT card doesn't mean every person with a EBT card is stupid. They may very well have PHD in welfare fraud!

My grandparents were poor and were at the same time smart enough to have a cow, a couple of pigs, and a flock of chickens, raise a big garden, and 3 daughters. There were no welfare programs, and if they were they would have refused to take it. My Daddy ran off to California when I was 6 months old. We survived because my mother and grand parents worked their butts off and made good decisions. I absolutely refuse to believe that every poor person in America is a stupid jackass and poor because they are incapable of making good decisions.

I had a nephew that was poor and lived on welfare. I guess it was his bad decisions that gave him MS that killed when he was 43.

[S.A. Boggs]

Poverty can be a state of mind, I don't have the latest so I am "poor" and on and on. Some rich people are poor in that are their "friends" real or "friends" because of what the person has? Money, like fame is fleeting. This rich miser wants to take his money with him when he dies so he entrusts a "lawyer" to administer his funds. On the old man's death bed he again admonishes the lawyer that ALL of the old man's money is to be buried with him in his vault in the cemetery and the vault is to be cemented to keep robbers out. Upon getting the assurances the old miser dies. As the last brick is about to be placed, sealing the tomb forever the lawyer places a personal check into the opening.
I am rich for those who are my true friends and I can always count on.
Sam

[lyman]

What bothers me is the lumping of all poor people into one category. Not all people who are poor are also stupid. Just because you saw a stupid person having problems with a EBT card doesn't mean every person with a EBT card is stupid. They may very well have PHD in welfare fraud!

My grandparents were poor and were at the same time smart enough to have a cow, a couple of pigs, and a flock of chickens, raise a big garden, and 3 daughters. There were no welfare programs, and if they were they would have refused to take it. My Daddy ran off to California when I was 6 months old. We survived because my mother and grand parents worked their butts off and made good decisions. I absolutely refuse to believe that every poor person in America is a stupid jackass and poor because they are incapable of making good decisions.

I had a nephew that was poor and lived on welfare. I guess it was his bad decisions that gave him MS that killed when he was 43.

while I agree with the first sentence, curious who you are directing the bolded statement to?


years and years ago, the family decided to take my grandmother down to the food stamp office to see what she would qualify,
she was a widow, living off my grandfathers SSI (grandma never worked a wage paying job, he was a farmer)

she qualified for $17 a month,,,

she declined, since she had a 40 minute ride to town,, it was not worth the hassle, and ended up supplementing the SSI income by doing various small jobs in the community,

she also had a garden, canned and froze the crops to last all winter,

[Clark Howard]

I know that you boys enjoy a spirited (?) debate. But, I think that you are wasting time arguing with these dems. They don't care what you think. They are here to disrupt our forum. Regards, Clark

[Vern Humphrey]

I know that you boys enjoy a spirited (?) debate. But, I think that you are wasting time arguing with these dems. They don't care what you think. They are here to disrupt our forum. Regards, Clark

You are, of course right. The Democrats don't have any ideas, plans or agenda -- they just obstruct and disrupt.

[Johnny P]

As long as some can get a check for doing nothing, nothing is what they want to do. They have reached the height of their ambition.