Krokodil, What It Is And What It Does

[JB White]

Togor, that's all fine and dandy. I live in a mixed area where the vast majority get along well on the street. Some of us pick and choose our friends wisely. Just because they may be of different races and faiths doesn't mean we allow everyone in our home "just because". Incomes vary, blue collar, grey collar, white collar, and social status varies. I may have chosen to work union but it doesn't mean the small time contractor at the end of the block wishes to do so. We get along. Most of us have our prejudices of sorts. It even a topic of conversation at times and it can get a little dicey at times. That is where I live and see no reason to move away.

However, not everyone enjoys the blend of cultures. Not everyone wants their family bloodlines mixed and blurred. It isn't a white thing. It's a black, brown, red and yellow thing too. I told you...we talk. I see 'Anglos' being forced to watch what they say at all times. The government dictating the neighbors they get via Section 8 even though they do not fit well into the area. Always paying more for theirs so others don't have to. Having to face hatred and controversy whenever they display something Christian because the 'foreigners' and pantie waisted liberals choose not to.
I don't see anyone forcing their new-found PC beliefs on the black ghettos and the various barrios. Do you?

Like it or not, conservative whites have rights and are entitled to live the way they wish to the same as everyone else. We shouldn't have to put up with things "we" don't care for but they are taking that all away under the false accusations of racism and what they have labeled as Fascist in practice.
Why can't white people enjoy "Birds of a feather..." the same as all the rest?

[togor]

Like it or not, conservative whites have rights and are entitled to live the way they wish to the same as everyone else. We shouldn't have to put up with things "we" don't care for but they are taking that all away under the false accusations of racism and what they have labeled as Fascist in practice.
Why can't white people enjoy "Birds of a feather..." the same as all the rest?

What are you putting up with? Other people having freedoms? Like CH, you fail to point out the specific harm to you of someone else not having to be invisible. And no, we're not talking about child predation, or necrophilia, or cannibalism, so let's not take this to ridiculous extremes. Someone wants to die their hair pink, put giant gauges in their ears and run for Congress in my district with their gender-indeterminate partner at their side. I don't have to vote for them or listen to their speeches if I don't want to. On the other hand, maybe I agree with them on protecting the Great Lakes. In any age, there is always someone who gets the finger pointed at them as the "undersirable ones". I don't see how CH's prejudices are all that different from the ones strongly felt decades ago towards Irish or Italians or Jews or Polacks that have since faded.

And your position is hardly conservative, in a Randian sense. It is much more about conformity for conformity's sake, which is just another form of collectivism of the type that she skewered. There is in fact a lot of that at this forum: pressure to conform.

[JB White]

...Other people having freedoms?

Not at all. It's about the special "rights and freedoms" being handed out to the point of some being more entitled than others. If you can't see that reversal then it means you're not as well rounded and travelled as you believe. That, or you have decided that what's good for you, should be good for everyone else. Therefore you are blind the plight of others who may differ in opinion and are outside your own cultural zone of comfort.
This isn't about dwelling on the prejudices of decades ago. It's about the prejudices of today.
Turning the table to get even only divides even further, and that is where CH, myself, and many others are being pushed. Which is fairly obvious by some the postings on this board BTW.

[clintonhater]

What are you putting up with? Other people having freedoms? Like CH, you fail to point out the specific harm to you of someone else not having to be invisible.

What harm is done (physical, the only kind you seem capable of grasping) when the flag, just a low-cost piece of cloth, is desecrated? Or when Christian religious symbols aren't even displayed by the businesses that formerly put them up due to fear of harassment? To most of the population, cultural traditions are as real & as valuable as tangible objects; incomprehensible to you, of course. Being forced to "accept" such travesties of normality & common sense as homo-marriages or trans-freakism does me incalculable mental harm--I can't turn away from the stores & waiting rooms now festooned with those weird symbols indicating approval of perversity, because (thanks to the coercion from the homo lobby) they're now in most public places. And why? Before the signs went up, were homos denied entry to those places? What they demand, of course, isn't merely equal treatment but PUBLIC APPROVAL of their deviant behavior.

Plenty of folks DO suffer material harm--like all those forced out of their jobs for some harmless, but un-PC, remark, & those denied college admission, job promotion, etc., because someone with lesser qualifications, but minority status, was given preferential treatment.

[JB White]

^^^^ Listen to him Togor. It may not have an effect on you but it doesn't mean it isn't affecting others.

[togor]

Not at all. It's about the special "rights and freedoms" being handed out to the point of some being more entitled than others. If you can't see that reversal then it means you're not as well rounded and travelled as you believe.

Does a specific special "right or freedom" rub you the wrong way or are you expressing non-specific solidarity with the general idea? One of my problems with CH's arguments is that they're always in the general form. I'm right when I say that in his eyes some people's true crime is an unwillingness to remain invisible. Nothing more than that, really.

[Vern Humphrey]

Not at all. It's about the special "rights and freedoms" being handed out to the point of some being more entitled than others.

George Orwell was right -- we have evolved a society where "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

When one person is given special "rights and freedoms," that automatically diminishes the rights and freedoms of everyone else. It's a modern form of the feudal system, where people are born into their class, and have greater rights than the classes below them.

[togor]

What harm is done (physical, the only kind you seem capable of grasping) when the flag, just a low-cost piece of cloth, is desecrated? Or when Christian religious symbols aren't even displayed by the businesses that formerly put them up due to fear of harassment? To most of the population, cultural traditions are as real & as valuable as tangible objects; incomprehensible to you, of course. Being forced to "accept" such travesties of normality & common sense as homo-marriages or trans-freakism does me incalculable mental harm--I can't turn away from the stores & waiting rooms now festooned with those weird symbols indicating approval of perversity, because (thanks to the coercion from the homo lobby) they're now in most public places. And why? Before the signs went up, were homos denied entry to those places? What they demand, of course, isn't merely equal treatment but PUBLIC APPROVAL of their deviant behavior.

Plenty of folks DO suffer material harm--like all those forced out of their jobs for some harmless, but un-PC, remark, & those denied college admission, job promotion, etc., because someone with lesser qualifications, but minority status, was given preferential treatment.

I could call BS on your claim of Christian affiliation given that there has never been so much as a tiniest spec of the Gospels in any of your posts. Christian identity is an extension of ethnicity to you...nothing more.

Beyond that...too bad you never had kids. Kids, even one, give an adult a big reminder that it isn't all about them. No kids and on your eigth decade--no wonder your LIST OF THINGS DONE BY OTHERS THAT BOTHERS YOU is so long.

[Vern Humphrey]

I see that someone has appointed himself the ultimate judge of what a Christian is and is not. What a terribly Unchristian thing to do!

[Roadkingtrax]

I see that someone has appointed himself the ultimate judge of what a Christian is and is not. What a terribly Unchristian thing to do!

Thought you had everyone on ignore? LOL

[S.A. Boggs]

I see that someone has appointed himself the ultimate judge of what a Christian is and is not. What a terribly Unchristian thing to do!

Vern, NAZI'S have their own religion and their god is government.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Vern, NAZI'S have their own religion and their god is government.
Sam

True. I suppose they take turns sitting at the Right Hand of God.

[togor]

I see that someone has appointed himself the ultimate judge of what a Christian is and is not. What a terribly Unchristian thing to do!

You're going to vouch for his belief? I didn't claim to know what is in CH's heart, just what he wrote in his posts. Nice try though. Vernon jumps in when the action is going the wrong way and safe conformity is threatened.

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Vern, NAZI'S have their own religion and their god is government.
Sam

See, you still haven't learned how to do this without name-calling. Some people learn slow, or not at all.

[clintonhater]

I could call BS on your claim of Christian affiliation given that there has never been so much as a tiniest spec of the Gospels in any of your posts. Christian identity is an extension of ethnicity to you...nothing more.

"Nothing more"? Seems quite a lot to me: after the conversion of Constantine, Christian history & European history became one & the same.

[Roadkingtrax]

Vern, NAZI'S have their own religion and their god is government.
Sam

Sounds like Trump worshiper to me. I'm sure you've even been to a rally, I mean worship session.