Obamacare Just Declared Unconstitutional By A Federal Judge!

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  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #16
    If the ACA is killed off, then *poof!* go the extra funds to states for Medicaid expansion, including red states.

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    • Roadkingtrax
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 7835

      #17
      Originally posted by togor
      If the ACA is killed off, then *poof!* go the extra funds to states for Medicaid expansion, including red states.
      Would those be the same states, by and large, that consume the benefit?
      "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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      • clintonhater
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 5220

        #18
        Originally posted by togor
        If the ACA is killed off, then *poof!* go the extra funds to states for Medicaid expansion, including red states.
        They can be put back. Expanding Medicaid by lowering eligibility requirements was the simple solution that would have made Obamacare unnecessary, but it suffered from two fatal flaws: no new bureaucracy would have been created, employing thousands of new federal parasites owing their jobs directly to O.

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #19
          Originally posted by clintonhater
          They can be put back. Expanding Medicaid by lowering eligibility requirements was the simple solution that would have made Obamacare unnecessary, but it suffered from two fatal flaws: no new bureaucracy would have been created, employing thousands of new federal parasites owing their jobs directly to O.
          There you go.

          Nor would there have been any gigantic 2,500 page bill that no one read before voting on it -- a bill crammed full of pork and downright theft from the Treasury.

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          • Roadkingtrax
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 7835

            #20
            Originally posted by clintonhater
            They can be put back. Expanding Medicaid by lowering eligibility requirements was the simple solution that would have made Obamacare unnecessary, but it suffered from two fatal flaws: no new bureaucracy would have been created, employing thousands of new federal parasites owing their jobs directly to O.
            Like the TSA? Talk about a government waste.
            "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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            • RED
              Very Senior Member - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 11689

              #21
              Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
              Like the TSA? Talk about a government waste.
              TSA = Toad Sucking A$$hole.

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              • Roadkingtrax
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2010
                • 7835

                #22
                Originally posted by RED
                TSA = Toad Sucking A$$hole.
                Transportation Security Administration.
                "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                • togor
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 17610

                  #23
                  The problem for the GOP is that the base in most states thinks that only Medicare is okay. The rest is a waste, so the thinking goes, wasted on the lazy poor. So if they vote for Obamacare-the-sequel, a bipartisan solution with Democrats, then they get primary'd from the right in the next election.

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                  • JB White
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13371

                    #24
                    I don't think anyone here is opposed to truly affordable medical care so long as it's quality care and really affordable. Not everyone is going to get so-called Cadillac coverage. Obamacare is not the right plan. It isn't even a good plan. It's more of a failing beta version denoting what does not work well. For as many as it may have helped, it's made many more than that suffer.
                    I consider myself a victim of this so-called ACA because it has forced me to pay more than twice as much for less than half as much of my pre-ACA benefits plan did.
                    2016 Chicago Cubs. MLB Champions!


                    **Never quite as old as the other old farts**

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                    • clintonhater
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 5220

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                      Like the TSA? Talk about a government waste.
                      EXACTLY! However, a much better example is so-called Homeland Security--another accomplishment of the WORST prez is US history, & I don't mean Obummer!

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                      Originally posted by togor
                      The problem for the GOP is that the base in most states thinks that only Medicare is okay. The rest is a waste, so the thinking goes, wasted on the lazy poor.
                      They'll think different if their parents have to go into a nursing home.

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                      • togor
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 17610

                        #26
                        If it gets to that point then the blood will be on the electoral floor for the politicians that let that happen.

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                        • Vern Humphrey
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 15875

                          #27
                          Originally posted by clintonhater
                          EXACTLY! However, a much better example is so-called Homeland Security--another accomplishment of the WORST prez is US history, & I don't mean Obummer!

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                          They'll think different if their parents have to go into a nursing home.
                          They should make sure, then, that their parents have long term care insurance.

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                          • togor
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 17610

                            #28
                            The thing is, a lot of jobs simply don't generate enough economic value on their own to support a meaningful relationship with the health care system. As true if not moreso in the rural areas. The upshot is that without regular access to doctors, people aren't seen until they're really sick, at which point treatment costs more. It all adds up to higher costs and poorer outcomes for some unlucky people.

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                            • clintonhater
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 5220

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                              They should make sure, then, that their parents have long term care insurance.
                              Sure, if they start paying at the rate a 20-yr old would be eligible for. But who even in their 60s anticipates going into a nursing home? By the time the need is apparent, the ins. cost would be prohibitive. Policies based on everyone possessing the wisdom to anticipate needs in the far future won't work. The ONLY way it would work is to MAKE everyone pay for such care through their SS deductions--though even an extra $1 subtracted from the monthly paychecks of young people would make them say they were being cheated.

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                              • sid
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 3198

                                #30
                                "Nursing homes" is no longer the politically correct title for these centers. They are now called Continuing Care Communities. This is a euphemism for describing an entity which is designed to legally steal all of your life savings. In our area of suburban Philadelphia the costs are out of this world. I know because my wife and I will be moving into one in March. The non-refundable entrance fee is $200,000 and you also have to pay an additional $7500 for the Health Care Center and another $1000 for them to process your application. We have selected an 1100 square foot apartment with 2 bedrooms and 2 baths. This is completely redone to our own specification but we have to furnish it. The monthly rent for this is an astounding $1,100! This fee is increased 4-5 % every year. For this you get 1 meal. If you are not able to provide the other 2 meals for yourself the charges are extra. There are many additional charges which are too numerous to mention. You have to provide full documentation of all of your assets and finances as they have to determine if you can afford this place.

                                On the positive side the facilities are outstanding. The dinners are what you would find in a 5 star restaurant. Your apartment is cleaned and supplied with fresh linen every week. They have their own golf course, bank, barbershop, beauty salon, gymnasiums, etc. There are an endless number of cultural and entertainment options, free trips to concerts, theaters and in-house lectures. My plan is to start either a Civil War Roundtable or a History Forum there. The place is heavily populated with retired physicians and college professors. This is not as wonderful as it sounds. We psychologists often refer to groups such as these as "sexual intellectuals," meaning "F@#$%*g know-it-alls". As you can tell, I am not looking forward to this move. I was forced to go here because of specific health problems that my wife and I now have. Wish us luck.

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