I wish all churches would do something like this

[S.A. Boggs]

Hell will freeze before he gives you a straight answer so you might as well drop it. But your point is made. And since you lived with the hill folk, you know only too well their insular ways and that peculiar brand of faith, which exists primarily it seems to separate the world into a righteous US and an unrighteous THEM. There is nothing you can say to Boggs that will persuade him that he is not more righteous than you. Best to not even try, and going forward, to ignore the bait.

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Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

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Sam

Back to his old bigotry again. He looks down on people from the "fly-over" states and makes up things about them to justify his bigotry.

[togor]

Back to his old bigotry again. He looks down on people from the "fly-over" states and makes up things about them to justify his bigotry.

So let me get this straight--when you use broad brush criticsm it's cogent analysis, but if someone else uses anything close to that it's "bigotry". I thought that was the sort of PC crap this board was against. Just another example of you having one set of rules for Vernon and another set for everyone else, just like you learned in candidate school. You know full well (at least you should) Boggs is over the top with his expert diagnoses but you would never think to call him on it. Senesence is cruel.

[S.A. Boggs]

So let me get this straight--when you use broad brush criticsm it's cogent analysis, but if someone else uses anything close to that it's "bigotry". I thought that was the sort of PC crap this board was against. Just another example of you having one set of rules for Vernon and another set for everyone else, just like you learned in candidate school. You know full well (at least you should) Boggs is over the top with his expert diagnoses but you would never think to call him on it. Senesence is cruel.

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Togor selfie?
Sam

[JOHN COOK]

My minister told me last night that the pastor that had the sign displayed has been removed from the church...FWIW...

john

[S.A. Boggs]

My minister told me last night that the pastor that had the sign displayed has been removed from the church...FWIW...

john

Deacon's get too much heat?
Sam

[Allen]

My minister told me last night that the pastor that had the sign displayed has been removed from the church...FWIW...

john

This commonly happens and when it does the church is caving in to the very ones they spoke out against. Like Trump they need to stand their ground for what is right or board up their doors. This church congregation just gave the fags another win.

[Art]

And then this one: why do Methodists have sex standing up? So people won't think they're dancing.

The joke actually refers to Baptists. The Methodists never, at least in my 70+ years, discouraged dancing. Another version came in a story I heard from a Methodist pastor who was a VERY funny guy. He said when he was a teenager he was asked if he knew any Baptist girls who danced. He replied "only the ones I asked." It's only been at the end of the last century that Baylor University, the "Baptist Vatican," relaxed its ban on student dancing.

Sandpebble:

Sunday, unfortunately, still tends to be the most segregated day of the week, and that's by choice all the way around. Things are gradually changing, and changing fastest in areas you might not expect. I live in southeast Texas. I am not a denominationalist but have attended a couple of Southern Baptist churches and been a member of one. Both of them have multiethnic, multi-racial congregations. The last one I attended had a working class congregation that was about 15%-20% latino, black and asian which accurately reflected the makeup of the local population it served. The observation about the SBC being the denomination of Jim Crow is about 50-60 years out of date depending on location. In fact the congregation of Lakewood, a Pentecostal mega church (Assemblies of God) in Houston has a very substantial minority membership in deed. I know an extended Colombian family that attends there and if you look at the congregation you'll see a wide variety of people.

Surprisingly, or maybe not so, the churches I've visited with the smallest minority congregations were "mainliners." This is not by design but caused by the fact that those churches have a generally, overall wealthier congregational make up and so tend to be whiter. I've been a member of a couple of them too. I'm democratic in attending churches as long as the message is right.

My personal observations may not be "scientific" but they are still accurate.

This part is absolutely accurate: While I was still a "crimefighter" I started working in "Restorative Justice Ministries" working in jails and prisons with inmates who were overwhelmingly black and hispanic. The vast majority of people who worked with these prison populations who as I indicated are mostly "people of color" are overwhelmingly Christians and mostly white, The majority are what are derisively referred to as "fundies" who are also overwhelmingly politically conservative. These people are there where the real work is done and put their money and, more importantly, their service where their mouths are.

[S.A. Boggs]

The joke actually refers to Baptists. The Methodists never, at least in my 70+ years, discouraged dancing. Another version came in a story I heard from a Methodist pastor who was a VERY funny guy. He said when he was a teenager he was asked if he knew any Baptist girls who danced. He replied "only the ones I asked." It's only been at the end of the last century that Baylor University, the "Baptist Vatican," relaxed its ban on student dancing.

Sandpebble:

Sunday, unfortunately, still tends to be the most segregated day of the week, and that's by choice all the way around. Things are gradually changing, and changing fastest in areas you might not expect. I live in southeast Texas. I am not a denominationalist but have attended a couple of Southern Baptist churches and been a member of one. Both of them have multiethnic, multi-racial congregations. The last one I attended had a working class congregation that was about 15%-20% latino, black and asian which accurately reflected the makeup of the local population it served. The observation about the SBC being the denomination of Jim Crow is about 50-60 years out of date depending on location. In fact the congregation of Lakewood, a Pentecostal mega church (Assemblies of God) in Houston has a very substantial minority membership in deed. I know an extended Colombian family that attends there and if you look at the congregation you'll see a wide variety of people.

Surprisingly, or maybe not so, the churches I've visited with the smallest minority congregations were "mainliners." This is not by design but caused by the fact that those churches have a generally, overall wealthier congregational make up and so tend to be whiter. I've been a member of a couple of them too. I'm democratic in attending churches as long as the message is right.

My personal observations may not be "scientific" but they are still accurate.

This part is absolutely accurate: While I was still a "crimefighter" I started working in "Restorative Justice Ministries" working in jails and prisons with inmates who were overwhelmingly black and hispanic. The vast majority of people who worked with these prison populations who as I indicated are mostly "people of color" are overwhelmingly Christians and mostly white, The majority are what are derisively referred to as "fundies" who are also overwhelmingly politically conservative. These people are there where the real work is done and put their money and, more importantly, their service where their mouths are.

Our church has two jails that we serve, as well as other outreach services. We give out paper, writing instruments [as jail house rules allow] and stamped envelopes as well. It matters not what color a person is, we serve all. Many of those who come to our church are from all regions of our nation, color never is a factor. Many do comment that they like that we have hot coffee and Crispy Cream doughnuts before Sunday School. They take this facet of our church back to theirs to replicate. We also do the meals before a game for the high school sport team to show our love and support. Funny, the liberal type churches don't do anything like this except go to and lead protests.
Sam

[lyman]

The joke actually refers to Baptists. The Methodists never, at least in my 70+ years, discouraged dancing. Another version came in a story I heard from a Methodist pastor who was a VERY funny guy. He said when he was a teenager he was asked if he knew any Baptist girls who danced. He replied "only the ones I asked." It's only been at the end of the last century that Baylor University, the "Baptist Vatican," relaxed its ban on student dancing.

Sandpebble:

Sunday, unfortunately, still tends to be the most segregated day of the week, and that's by choice all the way around. Things are gradually changing, and changing fastest in areas you might not expect. I live in southeast Texas. I am not a denominationalist but have attended a couple of Southern Baptist churches and been a member of one. Both of them have multiethnic, multi-racial congregations. The last one I attended had a working class congregation that was about 15%-20% latino, black and asian which accurately reflected the makeup of the local population it served. The observation about the SBC being the denomination of Jim Crow is about 50-60 years out of date depending on location. In fact the congregation of Lakewood, a Pentecostal mega church (Assemblies of God) in Houston has a very substantial minority membership in deed. I know an extended Colombian family that attends there and if you look at the congregation you'll see a wide variety of people.

Surprisingly, or maybe not so, the churches I've visited with the smallest minority congregations were "mainliners." This is not by design but caused by the fact that those churches have a generally, overall wealthier congregational make up and so tend to be whiter. I've been a member of a couple of them too. I'm democratic in attending churches as long as the message is right.

My personal observations may not be "scientific" but they are still accurate.

This part is absolutely accurate: While I was still a "crimefighter" I started working in "Restorative Justice Ministries" working in jails and prisons with inmates who were overwhelmingly black and hispanic. The vast majority of people who worked with these prison populations who as I indicated are mostly "people of color" are overwhelmingly Christians and mostly white, The majority are what are derisively referred to as "fundies" who are also overwhelmingly politically conservative. These people are there where the real work is done and put their money and, more importantly, their service where their mouths are.

the segregation thing , in this area, tends to be more location wise,

here in Central VA, the burb's have a bunch of 'non traditional' churches that are multicultural, and some of the churches are huge,
I know a retired police officer that teaches shooting and self defense, as well as some ministry work in recovery for addicts at one of the larger churches in the area

there are still White churches, and Black churches, out in the country, as well as down in some of the less wealthy (read that as poor or hood) areas in the city

[Vern Humphrey]

Here in Arkansas, almost all Catholic parishes have at least one Black priest from Nigeria.

[blackhawknj]

In recent years those churches that have embraced PCness and catered to the LGBTQ crowd are the ones losing membership-often whole congregations-and financial support.
If people self-segregate themselves on Sunday-nothing wrong with that, IMHO, it's their personal choice.

[Vern Humphrey]

In recent years those churches that have embraced PCness and catered to the LGBTQ crowd are the ones losing membership-often whole congregations-and financial support.
If people self-segregate themselves on Sunday-nothing wrong with that, IMHO, it's their personal choice.

Two different issues -- the Episcopal Church has re-branded itself as the Gay Church, and lost membership dramatically. But all churches ought to accept people of all races and orientations.

[blackhawknj]

A big difference between accepting people-and affirming and celebrating them.

[Vern Humphrey]

A big difference between accepting people-and affirming and celebrating them.

A big difference between accepting people -- and affirming and celebrating their proclivities -- for example, we can accept alcoholics, and not celebrate alcoholism.