Iran?

[togor]

Anyone really think Trump aims to mix it up with the Mullahs? I for one do not. Why he is ramping up escapes me. Perhaps a Bolton thing, that will get him fired.

[S.A. Boggs]

What scared you this time to "run" again? Many here understand your low fear factor, why brag "Iran" and for your edification it is two words not one.
Sam

[RED]

Sam nails it. The Mullahs took Obama’s gift of billions of dollars and bought missiles, drones, and other weapons. They did not comply with a single one of the “agreements” they never signed.

The recent attacks against the pipelines in Saudi Arabia, the movement of missiles and troops to threaten shipping in the Red Sea and the Hormuz is a clear threat.

Our great NATO allies that depend on us to defend them... for free... are refusing to support us.

[togor]

So Red seriously wants to start up with the Iranians? For what? I thought (and still do) that Trump was against this kind of adventurism. I also think it will play bad with the base. And...how will we get Mexico to pay for it?

[Allen]

I would like to see Iran carpet bombed with MOAB's. No nuclear waste, No loss of land, No Iranians, No more problems with Iran.

[lyman]

I get the posturing,

Fleet sent to hang out nearby ,

B52's get some flight time and to hang out elsewhere, (pure posturing, we don't really need to have them that close do we?)

troops on the ground,,, I think that is a bad move,

we don't need to get into the Iran vs Saudi fight, let them duke it out, and let's sit by an monitor, watch, have a few beers, and just make sure Russia does not collude with either side

[togor]

Another Allen-y gem.

[S.A. Boggs]

I get the posturing,

Fleet sent to hang out nearby ,

B52's get some flight time and to hang out elsewhere, (pure posturing, we don't really need to have them that close do we?)

troops on the ground,,, I think that is a bad move,

we don't need to get into the Iran vs Saudi fight, let them duke it out, and let's sit by an monitor, watch, have a few beers, and just make sure Russia does not collude with either side

Not another Russian Delusion Collusion??????
Sam

[RED]

Lyman is right we should hang out a white flag and surrender. When Iran nukes the Saudi’s and Israel there will be peace in the Middle East.

[togor]

Red what specifically do you propose? Wave pom poms for Trump? No way will the Persians give into that guy. There is no deal Trump can offer them that they won't conclude he will break.

The Middle East was effed up before we started sinking billions of taxpayer dollars into it, and will be effed up no matter what. Sh*thole countries, remember?

[lyman]

The Middle East was effed up before we started sinking billions of taxpayer dollars into it, and will be effed up no matter what. ?

truth here,,

let them fight it out,

have a sit down,

new rules,

yall have at it, here is the borders, no aid in or out,

and no nukes, conventional only,

give them a time frame, 1 month, 1 year, whatever,

we (rest of the world) deal with the winner ,




and yep, will never happen

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Lyman is right we should hang out a white flag and surrender. When Iran nukes the Saudi’s and Israel there will be peace in the Middle East.

I never mentioned surrender,, just that we don't need to be there,, let the religious folks fight over which version of their Prophet and their God they want to believe in,

that part will never change
and remember, they only like us when we pay them to,,

[m1ashooter]

Well lets rattle sabers and shake our fists at the Persians. I believe we are sending a message to the Persians of don't screw with us. Boots on the ground not very likely. I'm not sure why we sent my beloved B52, since we can fly them from the Conus round robin. Invading Iran is not an option. I'd rather take Cozumel and other Caribbean beach front property.

[bruce]

Trump needs to focus on what matters ... the domestic agenda. There is nothing in the sand pit that is worth the life of a single serviceman. There is nothing there that is worth a single dollar of tax money. If little iran wants to bomb saudi arabia, Israel or anyone else, fine. Let them bomb away. Those who get the bombs will return the favor in spades. Let them slug it out among themselves. The US hasn't got a dog or even a cat in that fight. Trump needs to tend to business ... i.e., putting conservative judges on the federal judiciary and ... if possible, on the SCOTUS. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[Vern Humphrey]

I think it's more complex than that. The United States could have prevented the Second World War -- and the proof is we successfully prevented the Third World War -- but we elected to remain unengaged in the '30s. In hindsight, we have to say that was a very bad mistake.

[togor]

Vernon you're making a reference to collective security, which did not happen in the 1930's. (And it was the GOP that was isolationist then but never mind.). Trump ran on an anti-multilateral platform in all things, UN, trade, NATO, etc., which you agreed with. The policy towards Iran being put forth now is not collective security, but rather what Lyman suggests, that the US looking like it wants to jump in on one side of a regional conflict like just another regional power.

Trump's foreign policy is overly-dependent on hard power, and will only lead to diminished US leadership in the world. That will be true whether we get into a shooting war here or not (probably not, IMO).