Aid In The Desert

[togor]

Activist charged by the Federal Government for more or less doing what Jesus probably would have done in the same situation. (I very much doubt Jesus would have been delivering people to the Romans at gunpoint.)

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/04/no-more-deaths-scott-warren-migrants-border-arizona/

Now if the defense of this prosecution is that Jesus is one thing and the Constitution of the United States is another, then OK. But then remember that defense the next time the laws of the country break against your interpretation of Christianity.

[rayg]

I feel very sorry for those people, but it was their own choice to break the law by attempting to enter the country illegally and by doing so, putting them into such a dangerous situation The best thing that can happen is the wall to be completed to help prevent these types of sad situations occurring by forcing people to apply for legal entrance into the country and not trying to circumvent the law.. Ray

[Vern Humphrey]

I feel very sorry for those people, but it was their own choice to break the law by attempting to enter the country illegally and by doing so, putting them into such a dangerous situation The best thing that can happen is the wall to be completed to help prevent these types of sad situations occurring by forcing people to apply for legal entrance into the country and not trying to circumvent the law.. Ray

You can remember the TV shots of children riding on the tops of trains on their way to the US. Now if YOU or I put one of OUR children top of a train, WE would be charged with Endangering a Minor, sent to jail and out kids taken away from us.

[Allen]

Their attitude may be "if I lose one or two, we'll just make some more". None of adults seem to have just a few children--they have a herd and from what I see most of the women are pregnant too.

[togor]

The point being made by the OP (me) isn't that the people are there in the desert. The point is that a US citizen is being prosecuted for performing what is obviously an act of Christian mercy. Now we can say the law is the law, but let us keep saying that when for example someone running a public business asks for a religious exemption to discriminate, OK?

Put more bluntly, let's see if any of the Good Christians here at the forum has this Christian's back.

[clintonhater]

The point being made by the OP (me) isn't that the people are there in the desert. The point is that a US citizen is being prosecuted for performing what is obviously an act of Christian mercy.

Well, who says a Christian can't also be a traitor? As these left wing radicals "obviously" are. Helping the invaders is merely another way of recruiting future voters for the Dem party, as well as opposing Trump, of course . Furthermore, nothing is said about the SOB made into the "hero" of the story being motivated by Christian piety--the bastard is merely acting out his LIBERAL piety, although I concede that liberalism is every bit as much of a religion as Christianity.

HOW I wish I could infiltrate one of these traitor orgs, for the purpose of locating & destroying their food & water caches. Better yet would be the opportunity of collecting some nice well dried human sculls.

[togor]

CH at least gets at the tension, but from a non-Christuan perspective.

[lyman]

do gooder, check
finding and reporting dead folk, check
recruiting others to help him find the people in need or already gone, check

then this,,

The agents considered Warren a recruiter encouraging college students to join a criminal conspiracy that involved furthering migrants’ unlawful entry into the country by providing them with water and medical aid. For Warren, the timing of their arrival was not good. Inside the Barn that day were two Central American men, Kristian Perez-Villanueva, a citizen of El Salvador, and Jose Arnaldo Sacaria-Godoy, a citizen of Honduras, who had come to the property three days earlier after a harrowing trek through the desert.

I think the law is harboring fugitives?


looks like it

Warren told them that they were stepping onto private property and requested that they leave. The agents, who did not have a warrant, persisted. With weapons drawn, they swept through the Barn. The migrants were found inside, one of them hiding in a shower. Warren was handcuffed and arrested. He was accused of providing the men with food, water, clean clothes, and a place to sleep over three days. A month later, a grand jury indicted him on two counts of harboring and one count of conspiracy.

wonder why his lawyer didn't get it kicked out for no warrant???

but sounds like they had probable cause?


meanwhile

But the underlying issues in Warren’s story go even deeper. People have been dying in the desert for decades because U.S. policy deliberately funnels them there. The Trump administration has doubled down on that approach, while adopting a strategy popular among far-right regimes around the world, in which humanitarian organizations working to keep migrants alive are prosecuted as criminal enablers. All of this comes amid increasing arrests and deportations of people who have lived in the U.S. for years, including parents of U.S. citizen children whose last border crossing might have been in a much different time, and who now have even stronger reasons to return home

so this has been going on for decades,,, (Obama,Bush,Clinton, Bush,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,)
and no real big deal, oopsy,

but Trump Double Downed,,, OMG,, OMG OMG


gotta wonder,, why so many more trying to cross the border to get here (besides the theory that Soros is paying for the caravans) than in past decades,

esp since Trump is the devil incarnate, and letting them die in the desert, pulling kids from families (oh, wait, that was standard practice before Trump too, right??)

[togor]

gotta wonder,, why so many more trying to cross the border to get here (besides the theory that Soros is paying for the caravans) than in past decades,

Well wonder no more, sir, because that one we know. The human smugglers have capitalized on a marketing opportunity: America is building a wall, so the time is now, if ever! Instability in Central America doesn't discourage people either.

I don't believe people undertake the journey on the assumption that do-gooders are going to spirit them across the desert, so IMO do-gooders are not the problem. And the migration is not without many dangers. That people undertake it is a sign of desperation as much as anything else. Climate change makes the problem worse. Ignoring climate change, or thinking we can wall off the ill effects is folly.

[lyman]

I'll say the smugglers should be rounded up,
placed in a container (think the shipping type) out in the desert with a 16 oz bottle of water,, for maybe a week,,,,,


re tehe instability,, that is nothing new, and yes, we (.gov) caused some of it, but how about letting them sort that out,, not sure we can be much help there,,

[S.A. Boggs]

As to the law and Christianity, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, Render unto GOD that which is God's!" seam's plain enough to understand. The Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth has the answer to our question's regarding what to do. Problem is, like the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights, people want to interpret them to their wants and not the other way around.
Sam

[dryheat]

Out here in AZ people shoot up everything they see. Seems water stations would be a fun target. If you feed stray cats you just get more stray cats.

[Allen]

If you feed stray cats you just get more stray cats.

And THAT is exactly what we are seeing now.

Overpopulation with absolutely no regards of these people taking care of themselves. Now they want our freedoms, rights and mostly, welfare.

Instead of bettering their countries like America has, they want it all for nothing.

Stray cats are just a pest. They don't drain our country dry.

[S.A. Boggs]

Why is it "our" socialists want the illegals here but won't pay for them while here? Peebles states he needs people to work for him, yet I have not heard that HE is willing to take full responsibility for them while here. What's up with that? Togey like to run his mouth, same as RKT how many ARE THEY willing to sponsor? These 3 are all hat and no show!
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

Because I like Tacos.