Look out Virginia.

[S.A. Boggs]

Is anyone seriously proposing disarming law enforcement or even private security? And with Heller, one can only go so far.

Yes, I am serious as this is what will happen. The guy's that I dealt with had no qualms about hurting anyone, what makes a cop so special? A cop on patrol gets a call early Sunday morning of a drunk sitting by a building. Cop rolls up, see's a guy sitting there innocently with a can of beer in his hand. Cop thinks, "Great another damn drunk to deal with!" Cop goes up telling the drunk to stand up, as the drunk slowly stands up three men come out from the darkness, one with a bat and clubs the cops over the back of the head killing the cop. The drunk was a ruse to set the cop up, now the ex-cons strip the cop of his belt, take his keys to retrieve his long gun and go thru the trunk taking anything of use. Dead cop, no witness, no clues just missing weapons. Many of the politicians on both sides of the aisle want to have only cops have weapons and I guarantee this will happen, then what? Also, what about an arrow, these will penetrate vests except for the ones with chicken plates.
Sam

[togor]

The wealthier classes in this country will always want armed policing to maintain the status quo. If it isn't public police, then it will be private police. But one way or the other, the people protecting their slice of the pie will be armed. Right now cops have all of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to using deadly force in a way that ordinary civilians don't. Take that lady at the KOA campground who drew on the couple. Had one of the couple been an off-duty LEO, they could have dropped her right there and no one would have a problem with that, because it was in response to that lady drawing first. But they weren't LEOs so they had to play it cool and they did. The video helped a lot too. Cell phone cameras are really changing how things work in the world.

[Clark Howard]

Why argue with a known disruptor? It is plain to see that if suppressors,(silencers) were illegal in Virginia, the shooter would not have used one in this crime. More dem lies and obfuscation. Regards, Clark

[S.A. Boggs]

The wealthier classes in this country will always want armed policing to maintain the status quo. If it isn't public police, then it will be private police. But one way or the other, the people protecting their slice of the pie will be armed. Right now cops have all of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to using deadly force in a way that ordinary civilians don't. Take that lady at the KOA campground who drew on the couple. Had one of the couple been an off-duty LEO, they could have dropped her right there and no one would have a problem with that, because it was in response to that lady drawing first. But they weren't LEOs so they had to play it cool and they did. The video helped a lot too. Cell phone cameras are really changing how things work in the world.

Remember, the police do not have to protect you that is law.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Remember, the police do not have to protect you that is law.
Sam

And yet all the high muckety-mucks have armed guards, from the Pope to the Canadian parliament.

[lyman]

Is anyone seriously proposing disarming law enforcement or even private security? And with Heller, one can only go so far.

LEO's are a Citizen just like most of us,

they should abide by the same laws as we do, on duty or not,

as in, if your state says you cannot have a high cap mag (in NY it's a 7rnd limit, right?) then that is what your duty weapon should have in it,

ditto if it is a fed law, no exemptions,


pipe dream, I know

[togor]

Remember, the police do not have to protect you that is law.
Sam

Noted, but police know that some places (and people) matter more than others. Money buys security, one way or the other.

[S.A. Boggs]

Noted, but police know that some places (and people) matter more than others. Money buys security, one way or the other.

You are correct on that, locally my buddies look out for me and mine. Ten years ago had a junkie get into my truck, neighbors called the S.O. Not only did I get the car for my sector but two of my friends heard on their home police radio my address and came over Code 1 to check on me. It helps that the Chief Deputy is a buddy of mine.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Years ago, I had a friend who was running for Sheriff. We had a discussion on citizens carrying guns, and I pointed out that HE could carry a gun, why couldn't I?

He said, "You don't know what it's like out there."

I replied, "YOU don't know what it's like out there, because you're not OUT there, you're IN there. If YOU call for help, you'll get every car within a ten mile radius. Out here, where I live, it might take half an hour."

[clintonhater]

Remember, the police do not have to protect you that is law.
Sam

Unfortunately, that's true, as many courts have ruled. I'm hoping, however, that the charges just filed against that coward-cop who hid while the Parkland shooting was going on may begin to change this miscarriage of justice.

[S.A. Boggs]

The Parkland shooting is different due it being a school and a protected area. The local's are out to hang him and I believe some of the charges will prevail. Personally I have no use for a man who refuses to do his duty as trained and sworn. All men are afraid I know I was more then once. First time my partner and I got into a chase and rammed the guy was an adrenalin rush, it happened so fast as your training kicks in. After it is all over and one takes stock you get a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach and weak in the knees. The Deputy should have gone to the sound of the gunfire ready to engage the actor not stand outside listening.
Sam

[free1954]

The Parkland shooting is different due it being a school and a protected area. The local's are out to hang him and I believe some of the charges will prevail. Personally I have no use for a man who refuses to do his duty as trained and sworn. All men are afraid I know I was more then once. First time my partner and I got into a chase and rammed the guy was an adrenalin rush, it happened so fast as your training kicks in. After it is all over and one takes stock you get a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach and weak in the knees. The Deputy should have gone to the sound of the gunfire ready to engage the actor not stand outside listening.
Sam

indeed. courage is not the absence of fear. courage is realizing that there are things more important than being afraid.

[Sako]

No doubt there is an agenda out there to severely curtail firearms ownership. Aligning that movement with an opposition to workplace shootings could get traction. Last time I checked, lots of people go to work, and don't want to get shot while at work. Even true of the infantry. Personally I'm OK with expanded background checks. If in order to build up a M1 Garand and transfer it to my kid, we had to drive to see my FFL for the background check, that would be a little paperwork and a couple of hours to shoot the sh*t. Not the worst way to spend the afternoon. I am however firmly against bans on what I can own.

You say you are against bans but your posts show that you are very liberal and lean strongly towards socialism.

[togor]

You say you are against bans but your posts show that you are very liberal and lean strongly towards socialism.

I don't expect your litmus tests would do me any justice, Sako. Won't lose sleep over it either.

[S.A. Boggs]

I don't expect your litmus tests would do me any justice, Sako. Won't lose sleep over it either.

The problem that I can see with "checks" is that unless cast in concrete, surrounded by barbed wire any law regarding "checks" can be made worse! What say ye?
Sam