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Specifically, our warm and kind words to the DPRK? I know what they've gotten out of us, but what do we have to show for it? And saying "they haven't nuked us" doesn't count. Unprovable that they would have nuked us otherwise. Serious question!!!
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I don't think we have as much perceived tension in the area. Only the South can tell us how they feel. So what do we have to show for it you ask? We have had remains returned not many but some to their families.. That my friend is worth all the money in the world to this Veteran.To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy -
We got Otto back before he died, and the Norks got 2 million dollars?
"The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. UllmanComment
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Just a play on the chest board of lifeComment
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IMHO talking is better then shooting, S. Korea thought on this could be a better barometer.
SamComment
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So....feelings, but none of the other stuff we said was necessary, like dismantling of facilities. Their program continues.
What have they received from us? Again, serious question!!Comment
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What do we have to show from any past president on North Korea?
If Obama had made a smidgen of progress, our resident Nazis would be boasting about it. But Trump not only has to solve the problem with a single wave of his wand, but he also has to cure scrofula, dandruff and psoriasis! And if he did all that, they'd still complain!
Here's a tip: give it a rest. It ceased to be clever long ago.Comment
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No one is complaining, except Vern."The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. UllmanComment
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And there's no way to stop it, because they remember all too well what happened to Col. Khadafy when he gave up HIS nukes, foolishly trusting to NATO promises! What's wrong (especially since there's absolutely no way to FORCE them to give it up) with letting them keep their security blanket? Why is it more dangerous for them to have it than China or Pakistan? They aren't using nuclear blackmail to claim a large part of the Pacific Ocean. Knowing very well what the retaliation would be, what (except an attack by NATO for violating "human rights") would prompt them to use their bomb?Comment
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Your point being then that the official US negotiating position is a load of crap, when viewed rationally from the DPRK perspective. I agree!
Let's ask the question: what do the NK's want? What is their long term objective? Hint: this is not entirely a personal whim of the Kim dynasty. In order to continue to rule, they had to sell something to the power structure around then. All autocrats have to do that. So what is NK's long term objective? Anybody?Comment
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Staying in Power and the perks that come with it are the long term objectives. They are really not much different then any other family in history that has ruled a country, to include killing those that oppose them.To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC PolicyComment
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North Korea wants to reunify the peninsula. They see the US deployment in the south as the key impediment to reaching that goal. Their nukes are intended as a bargaining chip, and yet they've hardly been necessary because Trump has ceased war games with the ROK and is looking for reasons to end the deployment. Besides the extra bonus of conferring legitimacy on the Kim regime, Trump has been a long term blessing to the strategic ambitions of the DPRK. And of course, retreating from Korea would sow doubts in the minds of our Japanese and Taiwanese allies. There is reason to be concerned with how this is playing out.Last edited by togor; 07-02-2019, 04:37.Comment
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