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[togor]

We could dump billions and billions of dollars into the International Conference on Climate Change and Global Warming for many, many years. Oh, wait, that's already been done.

Billions into a conference? Allen-y.

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the answer is always 42,,,,


no one knows what the question is yet,



temps in Europe are not it,


meanwhile BBC says we have a year,,, then doom


not buying it,
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-env...=pocket-newtab

What would have to happen Lyman for you to reconsider your disbelief? It's a serious question.

[Marty T.]

Gen. 8:22 We are not in control

[Fred Pillot]

I'm a firm believer in climate change. I learned all about it 48 years ago in fifth grade. I learned that we have major cycles of 125,000 years and minor cycles of 12,500 years. We once had ice sheets covering North America and the Romans grew wine grapes in Britain when they were there. There is a reason Greenland got its' name, it was covered in green trees. To think that humans are more powerful than mother nature is foolish. It's all about money for Leftist programs headed up by the likes of Algore.

[togor]

I'm a firm believer in climate change. I learned all about it 48 years ago in fifth grade. I learned that we have major cycles of 125,000 years and minor cycles of 12,500 years. We once had ice sheets covering North America and the Romans grew wine grapes in Britain when they were there. There is a reason Greenland got its' name, it was covered in green trees. To think that humans are more powerful than mother nature is foolish. It's all about money for Leftist programs headed up by the likes of Algore.

To not believe in science is foolish. Human beings have transferred massive amounts of fossil carbon to the atmosphere, where we can measure it. A step change 60% increase not just in geologic terms, but since the first days of civilization. Earth is a big system but we're seeing it respond. This is all stone cold fact, and the question still remains unanswered: what would it take for someone to start believing? So far no one has the stones to venture an answer.

[Allen]

I'm a firm believer in climate change. I learned all about it 48 years ago in fifth grade. I learned that we have major cycles of 125,000 years and minor cycles of 12,500 years. We once had ice sheets covering North America and the Romans grew wine grapes in Britain when they were there. There is a reason Greenland got its' name, it was covered in green trees. To think that humans are more powerful than mother nature is foolish. It's all about money for Leftist programs headed up by the likes of Algore.

And the rising sea levels due to all the ice caps melting? Al gore owns waterfront property so he isn't too concerned about his own comments.

Getting back to the cycles and rising sea levels, most of the U.S. was once covered with water. Sea shells and other ancient sea life are found in fossils all over including the deserts.

Wait till the liberals discover nights and days and how the days are longer in the summer and shorter in the winter. There are endless stupid things to waste money on.

As I've said before: IF any of this were true how can pumping billions of dollars into a global BS conference on how to deal with it improve anything and why hasn't it since this charade has been going on for many years. What became of the money? Where did it all go? What has the money accomplished for the environment? Why isn't anyone being held accountable for all this theft?

[togor]

Allen-y! Obviously the answer in his case to my question is "never!" which is remarkable when you think about it. He's saying there is no imaginable cascade of climactic tragedies that would get him to agree that okay, something is going on here. Allen is the modern equivalent of a 16th century villager who went to his grave certain that the world was flat.

[togor]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/26/unprecedented-more-than-100-wildfires-burning-in-the-arctic-in-worst-ever-season

How about this? Can we finally agree that business-as-usual is over?

[lyman]

To not believe in science is foolish. Human beings have transferred massive amounts of fossil carbon to the atmosphere, where we can measure it. A step change 60% increase not just in geologic terms, but since the first days of civilization. Earth is a big system but we're seeing it respond. This is all stone cold fact, and the question still remains unanswered: what would it take for someone to start believing? So far no one has the stones to venture an answer.

sorry,
was off burning diesel on the way up and back from the Nations Gun Show all weekend,

give me 2 weatherpeople, and a time machine, and go back 300,000 yrs, and measure accurately each day since then,

then look at the data and tell me what is happening,

[Vern Humphrey]

sorry,
was off burning diesel on the way up and back from the Nations Gun Show all weekend,

give me 2 weatherpeople, and a time machine, and go back 300,000 yrs, and measure accurately each day since then,

then look at the data and tell me what is happening,

According to NASA, the earth is 4.54 billion years old. Draw a graph on that scale, and a mere 10,000 years is just a blip.

[togor]

Lyman,

How does your hypothetical bear on the question at hand? Is the point to measure noise in the system? We know there's noise. Is the point to zoom in on the noise to such an extent that all we see is the randomness, so as to conclude that it's impossible to make short term predictions?

What your experiment will show is short term variability with long term trends that depend on the interval of interest. No different in principle than a moving stock average over a week, month, year, etc.

Let me ask you a question. How does a gambler conclude that he's in a game with loaded dice, or a stacked deck? Does he lose every bet? Or does he just get a sense that the draws are going against him more than they should? We've loaded the weather dice with our CO2 emissions.

[lyman]

Lyman,

How does your hypothetical bear on the question at hand? Is the point to measure noise in the system? We know there's noise. Is the point to zoom in on the noise to such an extent that all we see is the randomness, so as to conclude that it's impossible to make short term predictions?

What your experiment will show is short term variability with long term trends that depend on the interval of interest. No different in principle than a moving stock average over a week, month, year, etc.

Let me ask you a question. How does a gambler conclude that he's in a game with loaded dice, or a stacked deck? Does he lose every bet? Or does he just get a sense that the draws are going against him more than they should? We've loaded the weather dice with our CO2 emissions.

you and I will just have to agree to disagree on the global climate warming change issues,


can we do better, surely we can,

have we tipped the scale past the point of no return (where the world as we know it will end next year, 20yrs, or ??)

doubt it,

[togor]

you and I will just have to agree to disagree on the global climate warming change issues,


can we do better, surely we can,

have we tipped the scale past the point of no return (where the world as we know it will end next year, 20yrs, or ??)

doubt it,

That's fine, and it leaves open to you my prior question, if you feel like answering: what would have to happen for you agree that there is something serious going on with the climate?

[lyman]

That's fine, and it leaves open to you my prior question, if you feel like answering: what would have to happen for you agree that there is something serious going on with the climate?

good empirical unbiased data,

[Allen]

good empirical unbiased data,

NOT going to happen.

Meanwhile the weather goes on as normal.

[S.A. Boggs]

I predict that in 6 months the demoncrats will be blaming Trump and "global warming" for the polar vortex and heavy snow in the Eastern U.S. The demoncrats will have an "investigation" as to why Trump has "allowed" so much snow in the major cities to hurt voter turnout.
Sam