Our two Ohio Senators @ Dayton

[Roadkingtrax]

Mass shootings are seen by democrats as opportunities.
They are seen by republicans as sad.

I wonder what Dogtag thinks when his Mexican neighbors tell him what is wrong with the United States?

[Sandpebble]

Mass shootings are seen by democrats as opportunities.
They are seen by republicans as sad.

You might be right .... but .... how sad ??

As usual the story of mass shootings brings nothing but dismay that Dems want to use this to deny us our toys .... not much interest in the victims, or families of those victims left behind .

When Obama pushed in the "rule" to deny gun purchases by people with mental health problems we allowed ourselves to be convinced the NRA was correct in fighting it.

Shortly after our now sitting Prez got that "rule rescinded for no other reason than he hated Obama.....

Now he wants us to believe that poor mental health and gun ownership are are a poor mix.... you believe everything else he says so do you believe Obama was correct on this one ?

No.. of course not. Obama was wrong and Trump is right even if they say the same thing ... Trump did Americans no favors on this one

[lyman]

Lyman,

Yes, Sam's account is understood, and he's free to remember it any way he chooses. But without seeing the vid for ourselves, we cannot determine if his account is slanted or not. I doubt Sam cares much for Senator Brown. It's also possible that many in the audience share Sen. Brown's desire for action. Perhaps we can agree this is an Eye of the Beholder thing, or am I just doing it wrong?

togor,

with respect, you are over thinking it,

[lyman]

You might be right .... but .... how sad ??

As usual the story of mass shootings brings nothing but dismay that Dems want to use this to deny us our toys .... not much interest in the victims, or families of those victims left behind .

When Obama pushed in the "rule" to deny gun purchases by people with mental health problems we allowed ourselves to be convinced the NRA was correct in fighting it.

Shortly after our now sitting Prez got that "rule rescinded for no other reason than he hated Obama.....

Now he wants us to believe that poor mental health and gun ownership are are a poor mix.... you believe everything else he says so do you believe Obama was correct on this one ?

No.. of course not. Obama was wrong and Trump is right even if they say the same thing ... Trump did Americans no favors on this one

just a reminder


obama, the great one (sarcasm) and Holder, decided that guns are bad,
so bad, that if you buy a AR type rifle more that once in a week in certain states, you have to report it the .gov

(by the dealer or FFL holder)

but not the States bordering Canada,,


re the mental health,


I know several Vets of the current conflicts that refuse to get any treatment for PTSD,

they are worried that the VA will report them, and they will loose the right to buy a firearm,

truth is, our mental health issues are horrible, and need to be improved,

[dryheat]

I know several Vets of the current conflicts that refuse to get any treatment for PTSD,

they are worried that the VA will report them, and they will loose the right to buy a firearm, -

Well, they recognize it. Hopefully they can handle it. What is it about being a vet that makes them crazy?
Had a vet get shot down by the police just across the street from me. He fell in love with a woman that owned the house.
When she figured out he was crazy she got an order of protection. He showed up at her house, she called the cops and that was that. It was suicide by cop if you understand the term.
A case of, and I hate to quote the women in congress,they are a little crazed to begin with.

[Sandpebble]

ok, togor,

step back,

take a deep breath,,

maybe sip a beverage,

then re read Sam's post,,
.




the way I read it was one guy stopped what he was doing, not dressed to the 9's, and made a compassionate speech about the event that unfolded,

the other guy was dressed in his finest, and spoke from the playbook,,


regardless of the reason for the conversation,, which would you connect with?




it's not a trick question, and ignore the R and D part,,, just imagine the visuals and words,,,

Fact is Lyman ... a man like Sam already had his mind made up before the two senators spoke. If the the Republican had been well dressed he would have been praised for showing respect ....... know what I'm saying ?

[lyman]

Fact is Lyman ... a man like Sam already had his mind made up before the two senators spoke. If the the Republican had been well dressed he would have been praised for showing respect ....... know what I'm saying ?

maybe, but what if it was not Sam posting? or watching that night??

[S.A. Boggs]

From dealing with people one learns to observe more then what is being said. How is the person dressed or not, is their demeanor and tone of voice appropriate for the situation? Much can be learned from just plain observation. I question an individual in my office, the same person is questioned under arrest. Same question, same person different answers. Mine is a more relaxed informal sitting with a friendly posture and voice. The S.O, is more rigid, more formal and the answers given are less truthful and more guarded. Our Republican Senator was more at ease, more open, less caring of the news media. His opposite was "on", more formal and ready to make political point for his party.
Before I went into mental health I spent 25 years in sales of all kinds and I had to understand who I wanted to sell to. A good salesperson will know within a mater of minutes what it will take to make a sale to you by observation and listening intently to what is said and NOT SAID. How does the husband and wife interact, who is lead, who WANTS TO BUY and who is a tire kicker?
Listening to all the demoncrats "they" are flouting the socialist party line of the old party for the sake of total people control and little else. 666 I am afraid is fast approaching and the demoncrats will be running the flag!
Sam

[togor]

maybe, but what if it was not Sam posting? or watching that night??

Who is is talking in riddles now? Someone else would have given a different account. Maybe more objective, maybe less, but different. You read Boggs' account as objective, and wonder why people can't take it as such.
But it oozes subjectivity. Hence the idea that the way to resolve this would be for others to see the video for themselves. These are my last whacks at this dead horse, Lyman. You can continue or not at your pleasure.

[lyman]

Who is is talking in riddles now? Someone else would have given a different account. Maybe more objective, maybe less, but different. You read Boggs' account as objective, and wonder why people can't take it as such.
But it oozes subjectivity. Hence the idea that the way to resolve this would be for others to see the video for themselves. These are my last whacks at this dead horse, Lyman. You can continue or not at your pleasure.

thank you for allowing me to continue



forest togor,, not trees,

everything is subjective,, ,

the same connection may have been made by you, or I , or RED,

or that little ole lady 4 houses down,

[Clark Howard]

Regardless of what the Senators from Ohio decide to do, or not, the criminal class in Cleveland will have the weapons they want.

[RED]

The sad truth is the shootings would still have happened even if there were 22,000 more gun laws on the books. Every one of these shootings was done by whacked out, insane, mad men. Most of the guns used were either bought legally (including back ground checks and the 4473), or stolen (usually from a relative).

Instead of another dose of ineffective laws, why don't we make mass murders illegal? That would be a lot easier and just as effective. The jackasses here don't give a tinkers dam about the people that are killed... they WANT dead people, millions of them and they pray daily for more shootings to occur.

When Clinton and BHO were Presidents, I prayed every day that they would not be assassinated. You wouldn't be able to own a flintlock if that had happened. The NAZI jackasses here pray every day for more shootings and that Trump be murdered. Despicable, pieces of trash and human debris...

[togor]

Red, what you're saying adds up to: it's the guns, and the way to end the shootings is to get rid of the guns, as much as possible. That's the liberal position on the subject, and I hope it's wrong.

[lyman]

Red, what you're saying adds up to: it's the guns, and the way to end the shootings is to get rid of the guns, as much as possible. That's the liberal position on the subject, and I hope it's wrong.

interesting take,,


I read it as the laws that we have now will not stop a person from doing a thing, so why have more laws for the TOOLS that person may use,

why not outlaw what the person does (which is already a law,,,)


the jackasses part is basically what Sam's D senator was saying in Sam's perspective,,

he did not APPEAR to care for the victims, or any past victims,, just simply a time to play on emotions and pass another law,, (that will be a feel good measure, but not make a bit of difference,)

he also is correct on Obama,, and to a lesser extent Clinton,

had either been assassinated, we would have UK style laws,,

thankfully that did not happen,

[Sandpebble]

Since the OP started this thread with the description of how two poltitians appeared......

how does he... or any of us really ... feel about the photo of the Prez and the First " Lady" holding the 2 month old orphan of two El Paso victims ?

Nice suit ... nice dress and make up... beautifull smiles and a fxcking thumbs up