Another shooting in Tx.

[togor]

The criminals that I dealt with told me many times that NO LAW could stop them, only Citizens obeyed laws. Weapons are made every day in prison out of common items converted to illegal use. A pair of underwear, newspaper and bread can make a lethal weapon with a range of 20 yards. Ex-cons are great thinkers in the art of converting legal to illegal...fascinating, just fascinating! NS are such "innocents" yet diabolical in their train of thought. Pure, anadultered power is their main concern and ANY MEANS to this end. They tell you they are not yet openly state they are. NS and their Antifa crowd want an excuse and will make an excuse to exercise their means. History proves this time and time again, look @ the Reichstag Fire the other NS used so successively!
Sam

Yes, "only citizens obey laws!!" is long known to be the rallying cry of criminals everywhere. Thanks for sharing.

[lyman]

Why are you convoluting this? It's not a TV or a broom.

The buyer was not able to buy a gun through channel A (dealer and NICS/4473 route), so he goes through channel B (local FTF sale, seller unaware of his background and not obligated to run a background check).

In Webster's definition of a loophole: In this case, the obligation to be purchase-eligible (that is, to be able to pass a background check whether one is run or not).

Simple question: what is the intent of listing him in NICS? To keep him from buying guns from dealers or to keep him from buying guns at all? We understand the limitations, that the reach of NICS is finite. I'm asking you: what is the intent?

so if you sell a firearm to a family member, not thru a dealer, is that a loophole, or just a hole,,, or loop,,,?


loopholes are buzz words that folks use to help others think they are something that needs to be taken care off,,

facts still stand,

your property is your property,
until the gov't says you have to go thru a dealer, your firearm is no different than your broom, tv, car, etc etc,


you can sell it to anyone,,

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Lyman sometimes one wonders about your intellect stimulation...I do! Emotional stability between + or - within the Bell Curve.
Sam

my intellect stimulation?

Maggies Drawers?


tell me what they are, please

[togor]

Lyman,

The loophole is that a buyer otherwise excluded by NICS can evade it by engaging in a FTF sale with a seller who is not legally obligated to run a background check. The key is the evasion. A FTF sale to someone who would not be excluded by NICS is not said to be exploiting the loophole because there is no evasion. The evasion is the key. It is correctly described as a "FTF loophole", but not all FTF sales are illegal, obviously.

To use both nails and glue, the definition of loophole being:

a means of escape especially : an ambiguity or omission in the text through which the intent of a statute, contract, or obligation may be evaded

Not a buzzword. An actual word with a meaningful definition. And you didn't answer my question about what the intent is of listing people in NICS as no-buys.

[lyman]

in theory, listing him in NICS would alert the Gov't the next time he or anyone listed attempted a buy (from a dealer or individual in those states that require it) and again, in theory, he would be picked up and prosecuted for such,


not sure how many are denied that are or should be picked up
(I don't think all deny's require prosecution,, but not sure)

[S.A. Boggs]

so if you sell a firearm to a family member, not thru a dealer, is that a loophole, or just a hole,,, or loop,,,?


loopholes are buzz words that folks use to help others think they are something that needs to be taken care off,,

facts still stand,

your property is your property,
until the gov't says you have to go thru a dealer, your firearm is no different than your broom, tv, car, etc etc,


you can sell it to anyone,,

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my intellect stimulation?

Maggies Drawers?


tell me what they are, please

Maggie's drawers is a parallel.
Stimulation is up to you.
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

Maggie's drawers is a parallel.
Stimulation is up to you.
Sam

Lyman, that's a no. He doesn't know.

[lyman]

Maggie's drawers is a parallel.
Stimulation is up to you.
Sam

nope, not at all

Lyman, that's a no. He doesn't know.

RKT,, you hit the nail on the head,,,

[Roadkingtrax]

I'll take the X-ring when I can get it.

[lyman]

Maggie's drawers is a parallel.
Stimulation is up to you.
Sam

you apparently (must be part of your clinical background?) associate drawers with some sexual issue??

maybe you need to spend more time on a range?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Maggie's%20drawers

it is also a name sometimes given to a red flag that some ranges run up a pole to indicate the range is hot (hot as in being used, not sexually)




and BTW,, I don't think the Nazi's used the same terms

[togor]

Also calling for self-stimulation? I've heard people go blind that way.

[Sandpebble]

[QUOTE=lyman;564113]so if you sell a firearm to a family member, not thru a dealer, is that a loophole, or just a hole,,, or loop,,,?


loopholes are buzz words that folks use to help others think they are something that needs to be taken care off,,

facts still stand,

your property is your property,
until the gov't says you have to go thru a dealer, your firearm is no different than your broom, tv, car, etc etc,


you can sell it to anyone,,

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Well Lyman if you were/are a reader of the NRAs American Rifleman Magazine you might remember that 2 1/2 years ago the NRA wrote in that magazine that background checks were a waste as "most" gun crimes were committed using either a stolen firearm.... or one provided by a friend or family .

At that time I posted here on Culvers that if that was fact ... then perhaps a lot of friends and family should under go a background check ....

as usual I got my ass handed to me by the "members" here at Culvers

[S.A. Boggs]

you apparently (must be part of your clinical background?) associate drawers with some sexual issue??

maybe you need to spend more time on a range?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Maggie's%20drawers

it is also a name sometimes given to a red flag that some ranges run up a pole to indicate the range is hot (hot as in being used, not sexually)




and BTW,, I don't think the Nazi's used the same terms

I stepped on my first gun range in 1964 and have been shooting since then. I have reloaded every case from .25ACP up to the large ones, I quit counting loaded rounds @ 1 million! Had to return my 550B to Dillion as the frame broke due to use age @ 300,000 rounds. Been teaching handgun for 50 years and reloading for 40. Been casting lead for 45 years starting with the smoke pole. Was in black powder cannon at one point, fun but very expensive. Met and knew many of the early ones of our shooting sports, most notably was my family friend Bill Large. Major George Nonte was also one I learned much from as well.
As for sexual, Sigmund would have much to say regarding your fixational response to the Maggie comment. Latent sexual deviation coming forth? Are you googling like the "other" expert on here does?
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

Too hard for Sam to admit he learned something Lyman?

Thankfully we use value disks today.

[togor]

Just running some numbers....1,000,000 rounds divided by 50 years is 20,000 rounds a year, or on average 55 rounds deprimed, cleaned, resized, primed, loaded and seated every single day. If one places the current cost of bullets powder and primers at say 0.20/round (more or less depending on caliber), that comes to $4000/year in 2019 dollars spent on supplies, ignoring brass, dies, etc, which will surely wear out. Moreover those 20,000 rounds/year need to be discharged. And in all of those rounds over all of those years, he never once heard what it means to draw Maggie's drawers. Huh.

[lyman]

I stepped on my first gun range in 1964 and have been shooting since then. I have reloaded every case from .25ACP up to the large ones, I quit counting loaded rounds @ 1 million! Had to return my 550B to Dillion as the frame broke due to use age @ 300,000 rounds. Been teaching handgun for 50 years and reloading for 40. Been casting lead for 45 years starting with the smoke pole. Was in black powder cannon at one point, fun but very expensive. Met and knew many of the early ones of our shooting sports, most notably was my family friend Bill Large. Major George Nonte was also one I learned much from as well.
As for sexual, Sigmund would have much to say regarding your fixational response to the Maggie comment. Latent sexual deviation coming forth? Are you googling like the "other" expert on here does?
Sam

hmmm


seems to me you are fixated on the drawers part,,

I just made a comment and you stepped in, and stepped in it,


just admit you had not heard that term, and move on,,

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Just running some numbers....1,000,000 rounds divided by 50 years is 20,000 rounds a year, or on average 55 rounds deprimed, cleaned, resized, primed, loaded and seated every single day. If one places the current cost of bullets powder and primers at say 0.20/round (more or less depending on caliber), that comes to $4000/year in 2019 dollars spent on supplies, ignoring brass, dies, etc, which will surely wear out. Moreover those 20,000 rounds/year need to be discharged. And in all of those rounds over all of those years, he never once heard what it means to draw Maggie's drawers. Huh.

change that to 55 yrs, and it is 18181 rounds a year,

only 50 rounds a day.,

every day