Dorian is all the proof you need...

[Johnny P]

All this incompetence crap will get straightened out as soon as we can get Joe Biden in office. The man is remarkable. The only thing he asks for is a little short fat girl to fondle occasionally.

[Vern Humphrey]

All this incompetence crap will get straightened out as soon as we can get Joe Biden in office. The man is remarkable. The only thing he asks for is a little short fat girl to fondle occasionally.

We'll get him an Inflate-a-Date. At his level of consciousness, he can't tell the difference.

[togor]

All this incompetence crap will get straightened out as soon as we can get Joe Biden in office. The man is remarkable. The only thing he asks for is a little short fat girl to fondle occasionally.

Sure, whadabout Biden? I wonder that too on some stuff. And yet I don't see him stepping in something like this. Trump had good intentions, and in spite of them, or possibly because of them, the White House FUBAR'd their Dorian messaging to the point where it became necessary to throw the Birmingham office under the bus for just doing their jobs right when it mattered. All of us have lived long enough to recognize a certain type of incompetence that is practically a skill unto itself. To my eyes we're seeing that here.

[lyman]

surely this is worthy of a national crisis,


special prosecutors,


grand jury being called up now??

[togor]

Let's hope a real national crisis doesn't run smack-dab into administrative incompetence, agreed?

[lyman]

Let's hope a real national crisis doesn't run smack-dab into administrative incompetence, agreed?

I keep forgetting how freaking awesome the last guy was,

solved all the worlds issues, made excellent snap decisions ,

miss him sooooo much do you?

[togor]

I keep forgetting how freaking awesome the last guy was,

solved all the worlds issues, made excellent snap decisions ,

miss him sooooo much do you?

I never got the "black guy in White House" heebie jeebies but 8 years was enough. Some stuff he did was okay (saving GM, Chrysler, unwinding the CDO mess that almost killed the banking system, getting bin Laden), some stuff was not (letting Russia f*ck with us, allowing ISIS to get rolling). McConnell was determined to not work with him, and that was a problem but blame for that can be spread evenly. People will disagree but I believe history will judge Obama to have shown a more restrained view of executive power than the current Emperor-in-Chief. If anyone wants to debate that point I'm up for it.

[dryheat]

I will always hold DACA against him. There was fast and furious, but that was so goofy its hard to comphrehend.

[lyman]

I never got the "black guy in White House" heebie jeebies but 8 years was enough. Some stuff he did was okay (saving GM, Chrysler, unwinding the CDO mess that almost killed the banking system, getting bin Laden), some stuff was not (letting Russia f*ck with us, allowing ISIS to get rolling). McConnell was determined to not work with him, and that was a problem but blame for that can be spread evenly. People will disagree but I believe history will judge Obama to have shown a more restrained view of executive power than the current Emperor-in-Chief. If anyone wants to debate that point I'm up for it.

so far history has him pegged as the worst president ever, knocking Jimmeh Carter off that throne,


his transparency as promises was as clear as mud

[togor]

What unbiased, scholarly publication places him there? People clearly know nothing about the Harding administration.

[dryheat]

Warren Harding. They named a lake after him. The lake sprung a leak and nearly went dry.

[lyman]

What unbiased, scholarly publication places him there? People clearly know nothing about the Harding administration.

I think he was 3rd,,

don't recall where I read that a year or so ago,


re the 'black guy in the white house',

my biggest worry was some goober would take a shot at him,

A> leaving Biden in charge,,,
B> legislation would likely get thru that would make the GCA of 1968 look like peanuts

scary stuff

[togor]

I think if that would have happened, all we would have remembered was the "but", as in:

It's wrong to attack our elected officials like that, BUT if someone feels that their entire way of life is threatened, then it's understandable that they might feel compelled to act.

I doubt any of the House Wingnut Caucus would say that (wingnuts notwithstanding they're elected officials too), but a Hannity or Carlson is easily imagined saying something like that.

[lyman]

I think if that would have happened, all we would have remembered was the "but", as in:

It's wrong to attack our elected officials like that, BUT if someone feels that their entire way of life is threatened, then it's understandable that they might feel compelled to act.

I doubt any of the House Wingnut Caucus would say that (wingnuts notwithstanding they're elected officials too), but a Hannity or Carlson is easily imagined saying something like that.

that would be said on both sides, the left would be screaming tho from the rooftops,

and you know it,


either way, thankfully it did not

[togor]

that would be said on both sides, the left would be screaming tho from the rooftops,

and you know it,


either way, thankfully it did not

I don't know. When the Congressional baseball practice got shot up, I didn't see a lot of people cheering. It is fair to say that the anti-gunners want to use every shooting as an argument to get rid of guns, but that argument is itself intrinsically anti-shooting. And the whole idea of a do-or-die culture war runs much deeper on the right, where there is a much greater feeling that a cherished way of life, centered more or less on a celebration of firearms, marriage for straights only, evangelical Christianity, and now anti-immigration, is under siege from a secularized anti-gun, pro-gay and weak borders majority and their media allies. You've seen plenty of rhetoric here at the forum that captures this view, and it is from this view that one can easily imagine an apologia for the shooter. It happened before, with the NZ massacre. If someone took a potshot at Obama, it is easily imagined that a someone on the right would reject the act while nonetheless excusing the feelings that led to it.