China has huge problems the MSM is hiding

[RED]

Here is just 1.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/afri...55percent.html

And so China is raising the tariff on U.S. pork imports??? So, Xi Jinping doesn't give a whit how many people starve... We'll see how long that will last.

Where else did you see this mentioned?

[dogtag]

As Edward Long Shanks said: "The trouble with Scotland is that it's full of Scots"

[togor]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/b...k-reserve.html

A bit over a week ago in the NY Times. China has a strategic pork reserve, the size of which is a state secret.

[lyman]

IIRC China also owns Smithfield ,

wondering if they ship any home, and if tariffs are paid

[togor]

China did receive USDA payments as part of the tariff bailout.

https://www.iatp.org/blog/bailing-out-chinese-owned-hog-corporation

Brilliant, huh?

[lyman]

that article, (a year old) has some issues,

they seem to state the farmer or grower should have received the $8 a hog payment, yet then said the farmer was contract paid to simply run the operation,, the hogs affected were owned by Smithfield,

[RED]

China did receive USDA payments as part of the tariff bailout.

https://www.iatp.org/blog/bailing-out-chinese-owned-hog-corporation

Brilliant, huh?

Mark Ritchie the founder of IATP...

Donald Mark Ritchie is an American politician and a former Minnesota Secretary of State. Ritchie was elected the 21st Minnesota Secretary of State on November 7, 2006. He was re-elected in 2010. He is a member of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party.

Now hat guy is non partisan, right

[togor]

Shooting the messenger if one doesn't like the message? A LOT of that going on these days. Mostly by Trump defenders, to be honest.

[lyman]

not really,

one thing that I have noticed, (and not on this site, and not a bad thing) is that folks don't take any article at face value,

so much has been put out on the web, form both sides, and not a lot is non partisan,

as we have said before, follow the money, and in this case, research the writer,

[RED]

Neither the Commodity Credit Corporation or the FSA are creations of DJT and are run by the Agri Department.

Today, the committees often oversee activities in multi-county areas, due to USDA reorganization and consolidation of its field office structure into a network of about 2,500 field service centers. The committees are responsible for hiring and supervising the County Executive Director (CED), who manages the day-to-day activities of the field service center and its employees. The director and most county office staff legally are employees of the farmer-elected committees rather than the federal government, although their salaries come from federal funds.

Trump can't give them orders. Other than nominating the figurehead Agriculture Secretary, he has little or no control of their polices... You want to shoot the President because of something he can't control. Most of the career employees of the Agri department are from rural areas ad have dabbled in Garanges and Agriculture COOP's all their lives and are Yellow Dog Democrats.

On 09/06/2013, the Obama Administration approved the sale of Smithfield Food, Inc. to China. Now, that of course was Trump's fault.

Twist and turn, lie and burn, hate and destroy is all you know.

[RED]

Shooting the messenger if one doesn't like the message? A LOT of that going on these days. Mostly by Trump defenders, to be honest.

You quote people with Socialist/Communist messenges like Earl Browder, W.E.B. Dubois, Jay Lovestone, Alger Hiss, Gus Hall, Marx, Lenin, Mao, and etc, and are called on it... It's shooting the messenger.

When have you ever been right?

[togor]

When have you ever been right?

No one wants me to give a long list, so just two:

1. The deficit would balloon under the stewardship of the "king of debt" (self-appointed).

2. Trump would fight tooth and nail for eternity against release of tax returns. Audit, schmaudit.

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not really,

one thing that I have noticed, (and not on this site, and not a bad thing) is that folks don't take any article at face value,

so much has been put out on the web, form both sides, and not a lot is non partisan,

as we have said before, follow the money, and in this case, research the writer,

Your question is whether Smithfield got bailout money. One source says yes. You and Red don't like that source, but whether you like them or not has no bearing in whether they are accurate or not in reporting. That's the game I see being played here. If the wrong person says it, it cannot be true.

[Gun Smoke]

The question was "when have you been right"?

Not a request for more of your liberal minded opinions.

[lyman]

No one wants me to give a long list, so just two:

1. The deficit would balloon under the stewardship of the "king of debt" (self-appointed).

2. Trump would fight tooth and nail for eternity against release of tax returns. Audit, schmaudit.

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Your question is whether Smithfield got bailout money. One source says yes. You and Red don't like that source, but whether you like them or not has no bearing in whether they are accurate or not in reporting. That's the game I see being played here. If the wrong person says it, it cannot be true.

I have not questioned if Smithfield got money or not,

likely they did, since the owned the hogs,

my problem with the article is the way it was written, suggesting the farmers contracted to run the farms, and raise the hogs, got nothing,,,

why would they? they did not own any of the hogs

[togor]

To your question, Lyman, "why would they?" I'll temper my answer by saying that I don't know much about the ins-and-outs of ag contracts. Having said that, I'll say that pork exports require:

1. Piglets to raise,
2. Farmers to raise them,
3. Something to feed them (also grown by farmers).

If the export market is locked up, and pigs aren't being raised, that hits 2 and 3 also, not just 1. If the payments are to cover lost economic activity, it seems reasonable to consider the impacts across the entire supply chain, not just the ownership class. If an investor gets compensated by USDA for 10,000 hogs not raised, slaughtered and sold, then why not the guys in the growing operations too? This off the top of my head. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.

Edited Postscript: if anything I would think that the pure money guys are the ones who should be last in line for handouts. If hogs are less lucrative, they can invest in poultry or kumquats or whatever. Money is fungible. On the other hand, a farmer with a setup for hogs is captive to the ups and downs of the hog market. His facilities are not nearly so fungible. See what I mean?