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  • Vern Humphrey
    Administrator - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 15875

    #16
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Who will guard the guardians? (Or have custody of the custodians?)

    That's the burning question -- if an agency created to protect us goes rogue, who will police it?

    Now the FBI is in the Executive Branch of government (it isn't part of the other two branches.) So the President is the ultimate head of the FBI. He is the logical man to police the FBI.

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    • togor
      Banned
      • Nov 2009
      • 17610

      #17
      The occasional bad appointment (Comey) is no reason to change the basic rules of oversight to give Trump the ability to pick and choose his investigative priorities. For those not paying attention, he's about to get a trial in the Senate and an asterisk on his presidency for doing just that.

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      • lyman
        Administrator - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 11268

        #18
        Originally posted by togor
        The occasional bad appointment (Comey) is no reason to change the basic rules of oversight to give Trump the ability to pick and choose his investigative priorities. For those not paying attention, he's about to get a trial in the Senate and an asterisk on his presidency for doing just that.
        no one said give trump anything,

        seems most have said take the FBI back to doing what it is supposed to do,


        remember, most of the FBI's problems started in the previous admin,,,,,

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        • RED
          Very Senior Member - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 11689

          #19
          Originally posted by lyman
          no one said give trump anything,

          seems most have said take the FBI back to doing what it is supposed to do,

          The IG identified 17 errors and/or mistakes in the FISA warrant applications to the FISA court... ONE such instance would be enough to squash the warrants... and all 17 were slanted against the Trump campaign but, somehow that doesn't prove bias?

          Bottom line, every error/mistake was either incompetence or a crime. There is no other explanation. Every FBI person that signed off on the Carter Page FISA warrant applications needs to be in prison.

          Obama and his administration used Federal Agents from agencies such as, the IRS, FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA ,etc, etc, to promote political objectives... It is the biggest criminal cabal in the history of mankind. But just because Trump won a fairly contested election and was upset because a crack head, idiot, criminal son of the VP of the U.S. was ripping off millions using his Daddy's name. The crack head isn't in jail or being tried but the President is and it is a kangaroo court doing the trying.

          A police report said that Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden returned a rental car in Arizona that contained a cocaine pipe days before the 2016 presidential
          Last edited by RED; 12-16-2019, 04:15. Reason: added link

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          • Roadkingtrax
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 7835

            #20
            Red, kindly point to your detailed criticism of the FBI prior to 2017. Right now it reads like White House talking points (I suspect that's where they have been extracted from).

            Merry Christmas.
            "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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            • Sandpebble
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2017
              • 2196

              #21
              Originally posted by lyman
              Trump or any other President should not have any sway over the FBI,,

              however, when you have folks like Comey and his issues,

              and a host of others, the FBI tends to be viewed as more political and not doing what they are supposed to do,
              Not doing what they were supposed to do ? ...
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              Sorry Lyman... the FBI were doing exactly what they were supposed to do ....

              Unlike Flynn and Son Manafort Gates Papadopoulos Stone etc etc etc

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              • lyman
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 11268

                #22
                Originally posted by Sandpebble
                Not doing what they were supposed to do ? ...
                .
                Sorry Lyman... the FBI were doing exactly what they were supposed to do ....

                Unlike Flynn and Son Manafort Gates Papadopoulos Stone etc etc etc

                so you are saying Comey has shown no bias at all in his role at the FBI?

                and the FBI has been a completely unbiased organization for the past few or even more , years>?

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                • Sandpebble
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 2196

                  #23
                  Originally posted by lyman
                  so you are saying Comey has shown no bias at all in his role at the FBI?

                  and the FBI has been a completely unbiased organization for the past few or even more , years>?
                  What I'm saying is that with so many in Trumps circle having contact with so many Russian or Russia connected agents .... including Aussange...

                  I'd be alarmed if the FBI didn't make every effort to investigate .....that's their job, bias or not

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                  • togor
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 17610

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Sandpebble
                    What I'm saying is that with so many in Trumps circle having contact with so many Russian or Russia connected agents .... including Aussange...

                    I'd be alarmed if the FBI didn't make every effort to investigate .....that's their job, bias or not
                    Exactly!!

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                    • lyman
                      Administrator - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 11268

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Sandpebble
                      What I'm saying is that with so many in Trumps circle having contact with so many Russian or Russia connected agents .... including Aussange...

                      I'd be alarmed if the FBI didn't make every effort to investigate .....that's their job, bias or not

                      would you say the bias taints the investigation(s)?

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                      • togor
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 17610

                        #26
                        Originally posted by lyman
                        would you say the bias taints the investigation(s)?
                        It does! In this case Bob Barr. His biased has kept a lot of information redacted from public view. So if the remedy is transparency, then the AG should get the h*ll out of the way. Otherwise it's just cherry-picking hypocrisy.

                        I've said this many times: what people give up when they support Trump is every principle except the only one that matters: Lex Trump. (The first word is Latin, but Vernon can translate it for you.)

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                        • lyman
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 11268

                          #27
                          Originally posted by togor
                          It does! In this case Bob Barr. His biased has kept a lot of information redacted from public view. So if the remedy is transparency, then the AG should get the h*ll out of the way. Otherwise it's just cherry-picking hypocrisy.

                          I've said this many times: what people give up when they support Trump is every principle except the only one that matters: Lex Trump. (The first word is Latin, but Vernon can translate it for you.)
                          bias only works if Trump is involved,


                          I get it now,


                          thanks for the clarification,


                          now back to our normally scheduled Trump Trump Trump,

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                          Last edited by lyman; 12-17-2019, 06:27.

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