My friend Bueford Cooper

[Sandpebble]

No one, not one person here, knew of Mr. Cooper's military service. To a man here, no one would besmirch his character on political affiliations as Red himself (and many others) have other veterans. We are all Americans and we all do cherish our freedoms. For that, we can all agree, is owed to men like Bueford Cooper.

Has Red ever ridiculed the late senator, John McCain? On countless occasions.The mere insinuation that a combat veteran is somehow beyond politucal discourse was something missed on Red when it suited his argument. He insults Mr. Cooper's service by exploiting him in this way.

You are quite right Road King .... and in reference to Reds original post I would like to add something he is fond of saying ....

Red..... you are nothing but a GD liar , a xxxx stirring traitorous liar, I think it is you who works for the Russian bots to instill and spread discord .... you are the traitor to this nation with your ignorance...

hows that feel Red ?? especially since you know it's true .... hhmmm ?

ah yes Red, mand the most important thing Road King mentioned..... you do insult Mr. Cooper and us all , by your exploitaion of his name..... shame on you you pos

[togor]

The gist of the film is that Americans are fighting for ideas bigger than the country itself. Specifically, for people to be freed from tyrannical governments that suppress their liberty, and to make it harder for such governments in the future to wage ruinous wars to imprison and enslave people. The gist of a Trump foreign policy speech, be it his inaugural address, or one at the UN, or about NATO, or Syria, is that the US is no longer interested in the affairs of the world and is going to look out for #1. I don't believe I'm stating his position pejoratively to put it that way. This is Trump's position, and it runs in complete opposition to Roosevelt at Yalta, where with his last ounces of strength he endeavored to get the United Nations as a post-war enterprise on its feet. Not telling anyone which policy to like, just pointing out to Red that a great many US servicemen, including a Marauder man who is my grandfather, died for a very different cause than the one currently articulated by the president.

[Vern Humphrey]

I must be pretty dumb, as I Watched the video but don't see how it relates to Trump and Roosevelt, Ray

It doesn't -- but if you bring up ANY subject, he will find something in it to attack the man he loves to hate. Did you know Trump caused the Black Death, the Depression and WWII?

[lyman]

You are quite right Road King .... and in reference to Reds original post I would like to add something he is fond of saying ....

Red..... you are nothing but a GD liar , a xxxx stirring traitorous liar, I think it is you who works for the Russian bots to instill and spread discord .... you are the traitor to this nation with your ignorance...

hows that feel Red ?? especially since you know it's true .... hhmmm ?

ah yes Red, mand the most important thing Road King mentioned..... you do insult Mr. Cooper and us all , by your exploitaion of his name..... shame on you you pos

language?

get worked up and forget the rules?

[togor]

It doesn't -- but if you bring up ANY subject, he will find something in it to attack the man he loves to hate. Did you know Trump caused the Black Death, the Depression and WWII?

Yes that's exactly what I wrote in my reply to Ray.

[rayg]

The gist of the film is that Americans are fighting for ideas bigger than the country itself. Specifically, for people to be freed from tyrannical governments that suppress their liberty, and to make it harder for such governments in the future to wage ruinous wars to imprison and enslave people. The gist of a Trump foreign policy speech, be it his inaugural address, or one at the UN, or about NATO, or Syria, is that the US is no longer interested in the affairs of the world and is going to look out for #1. I don't believe I'm stating his position pejoratively to put it that way. This is Trump's position, and it runs in complete opposition to Roosevelt at Yalta, where with his last ounces of strength he endeavored to get the United Nations as a post-war enterprise on its feet. Not telling anyone which policy to like, just pointing out to Red that a great many US servicemen, including a Marauder man who is my grandfather, died for a very different cause than the one currently articulated by the president.

You do realize that was 65 years ago when those countries really did need our help and assistance and financial help then because of their counties war torn economies. After 65 yrs, they no longer need that assistance on the scale provided and it's time we start to direct more attention to our countries needs. Trump has started to force countries we have been supporting all these years to fork up more money meaning we will pay less toward these own countries welfare. In so far as trade, he is beginning to tax imports at the same rate as our exports are taxed by other countries. I can't see anything negative about that.

[togor]

You do realize that was 65 years ago when those counties really did needed our assistance and help because of their counties war torn economies. After 65 yrs, they no longer need our assistance economy and it's time we start to put our countries needs first.

Yes Ray times change. But last time I checked, there were still countries, and dictators, and armies, and just the one globe for all of us. It's not clear to me how Trump's new world order is overall an improvement over the one that he seeks to eliminate. Agreed that one was imperfect, but then again I could have imagined worse outcomes for the last 70+ years. So open to explanations of how Trump is taking us to a better place.

[rayg]

Please explain what you mean by Trump's new world order....Unless you mean America first and closed borders..I can't imagine any American being against those things...

[togor]

"America First" is a big one in that henceforth we eschew multilateral diplomacy under American leadership. So no use for the UN, no interest in NATO, certainly no use for global diplomacy on the environment. Everything to be done through bilateral deals in the Trump doctrine. Some situations just take leadership, from one of the big powers, so if the US declares it won't lead, who do you like to pick up the mantle?

[rayg]

No one said Trump doesn't want the UN or NATO, just that he wants the other countries to pay their fair Share for maintaining them and not just the US paying for most of their upkeep. What's the wrong with that?

[togor]

No one said Trump doesn't want the UN or NATO, just that he wants the other countries to pay their fair Share for maintaining them and not just the US paying for most of their upkeep. What's the wrong with that?

So "America first" to you is just about rebalancing membership dues?

[rayg]

Where did I say that?

[lyman]

togor has USA guilt
he believes FDR was a great man, with a great plan,

that plan worked, at first, but like most plans, did not do so well as it aged,

however , instead of placing the blame on the establishment that caused the failures, and again, having USA Guilt, (kinda like white guilt,, ) he blames all on Trump,


everything,


surely the UN is a great organization (that's sarcasm) and has the new world order planned out

Trump, has another agenda,, that togor disapproves of,

yet he (togor) claims he is a conservative,,,,,,,

[Vern Humphrey]

Where did I say that?

One of the symptoms of narcissism is to imagine what your opponent is thinking, and then to accuse him of what you imagine.

[Roadkingtrax]

One of the symptoms of narcissism is to imagine what your opponent is thinking, and then to accuse him of what you imagine.

You do realize he was asking a question for clarification. Pretty much the exact opposite of assuming, as you've done here.