My friend Bueford Cooper

[togor]

There's always going to be a top 1%
The more successful the countries business and manufacturing, the more money is made and those who invest in that success make money.

Of course there's always going to be a top 1%. But the data leaves open the following question. When candidate Trump says, "We're all going to make so much money," who does he mean when he says "we"? Another way Trump is different than FDR, and the men who fought WW2 different than folks we meet online these days.

[rayg]

Quote..Togor..Of course there's always going to be a top 1%. But the data leaves open the following question. When candidate Trump says, "We're all going to make so much money," who does he mean when he says "we"?

Ray..when the economy is good, "we" all benefit.

Togor...Trump is different than FDR, and the men who fought WW2 different than folks we meet online these days.

Ray...Yes a lot more liberals "on line" these days,

[Marty T.]

And it's so good when the people who invest in the country (rich people) and create jobs for people who need them ("poor people") so that "we" all can make some more money. I have NEVER seen a "poor person" that did not have the drive to do so give anybody a job that they could make a living on. And yes, I do have my own business and this year has been the first when I have been able to hire help to get the work out the door. So it's good for some to make money. And if you want to do it, go open your own business and see how much "fun" it is to run things and try to make a profit and give someone else a job. And if you're not willing to do that, hush about the ones that do.

[rayg]

Quote..And if you're not willing to do that,"hush" about the ones that do.... Love that!...Ray

[lyman]

Ray, the point is that FDR and Trump had two very different conceptions of America's role in the world. It's hard to imagine Trump conceiving of the Atlantic Charter, or delineating the Four Freedoms, or coining the phrase "United Nations" much less dedicating his last ounces of strength to the creation of the institution. Trump isn't wired that way and it should stir no controversy to point that out.

But as you say, 80 years is a long time ago. So if we go back 40, we have Reagan, who lived in FDR's time and who himself strongly embraced FDR's notion as the American President being the leader of the Free World.

Is "Leader of the Free World" a relevant role today? It depends on who you ask I suppose. There are still some pretty vile dictatorships out there.

you are comparing two wealthy men,
one a very wealthy business man, the other a wealthy politician,

however the flaw in the comparison is not between the 2 men, but between the times they live (lived) in,


much different world in 1940, vs 2020,

and not just politics, or World War,

cultures have changed, significantly, as have business and Gov't practices,


FDR has some control over the media (radio/papers) vs the vast online offerings today (that Trump has little control off)

[rayg]

"much different world in 1940, vs 2020", You betcha it is.

[togor]

Lyman I think everyone understands that 1940 and 2020 are 80 years apart. That's why I brought Reagan into the picture, to illustrate that Trump's vision of America's role in the community of nations is a departure from those two or for that matter every predecessor in office going back to FDR, with that being relevant to the mission that the US military sees for itself in the world. I am told that Trump's new vision for America's place in the world is part of his charm.

It is fair to say that some of these wars since WW2 were bad ones to the point of being scandalous. To the extent Trump is determined not to dive into one of those, good for him. But Trump shows little interest in advancing freedom and liberty in the world, and enlisting allies to the cause. To that extent, yes a big departure from Reagan (and FDR).

[rayg]

Togor... But Trump shows little interest in advancing freedom and liberty in the world, and enlisting allies to the cause"
Ray...But making American strong first should take precedent, as a weak America would have little influence in the world., ......

[lyman]

Lyman I think everyone understands that 1940 and 2020 are 80 years apart. That's why I brought Reagan into the picture, to illustrate that Trump's vision of America's role in the community of nations is a departure from those two or for that matter every predecessor in office going back to FDR, with that being relevant to the mission that the US military sees for itself in the world. I am told that Trump's new vision for America's place in the world is part of his charm.

It is fair to say that some of these wars since WW2 were bad ones to the point of being scandalous. To the extent Trump is determined not to dive into one of those, good for him. But Trump shows little interest in advancing freedom and liberty in the world, and enlisting allies to the cause. To that extent, yes a big departure from Reagan (and FDR).

Reagan,, so you split the difference and go back 40 yrs?

again, different times, cultures, ,

comparison is still off,

we (USA) had the mindset that we could and should police the world,

and between those wars you mention, and some other issues we were either involved in or honestly,, caused,, folks now are tiring of us being the policeman, and footing the bill (as in $$$) for others protections or security, etc,

Trump is the first to step up and actually say that other countries (in NATO for example) need to pay their share of $$

[Gun Smoke]

Reagan,, so you split the difference and go back 40 yrs?

again, different times, cultures, ,

comparison is still off,

we (USA) had the mindset that we could and should police the world,

and between those wars you mention, and some other issues we were either involved in or honestly,, caused,, folks now are tiring of us being the policeman, and footing the bill (as in $$$) for others protections or security, etc,

Trump is the first to step up and actually say that other countries (in NATO for example) need to pay their share of $$

Regan didn't have to deal with the communist democrat cult that lives today.

Though they were still anti-gun and anti-America the democrats of the era did work some with Reagan, sometimes actually coming up with ideas.

Compare that to the last 3 years of s**t that Trump has had to endure. They can not stand it that they don't have the full corrupt powers given to them by obama anymore.

[togor]

Well for example I doubt Reagan would put up with any of Putin's nonsense in Western Europe or US politics. And Ray, we stopped being strong? I missed that. Remember there are different kinds of strength, and choosing one's friends wisely in the world is a strength multiplier.

There's no quarrel here, unless the claim is that Trump's foreign policy approach is tons better than anything we've seen from a US president in the last 80 years. I don't know if that's the claim, but I am detecting a reluctance to recognize that Trump represents a moral break in foreign policy from an otherwise revered figure like Reagan.

[Gun Smoke]

we stopped being strong? I missed that.

Perhaps that was during the 8 years that clinton sold and gave away our military secrets to china and balanced the budget by defunding our military. Likewise with obama's 8 years of defunding our military and giving millions to the muslims along with hillary selling our uranium to the Russians.

[Vern Humphrey]

And it's so good when the people who invest in the country (rich people) and create jobs for people who need them ("poor people") so that "we" all can make some more money. I have NEVER seen a "poor person" that did not have the drive to do so give anybody a job that they could make a living on. And yes, I do have my own business and this year has been the first when I have been able to hire help to get the work out the door. So it's good for some to make money. And if you want to do it, go open your own business and see how much "fun" it is to run things and try to make a profit and give someone else a job. And if you're not willing to do that, hush about the ones that do.

And think of the reward you'll get -- more taxes!

Why should a man who employs a dozen or more people pay ANY taxes? Hasn't he done his share and more than his share?

[S.A. Boggs]

Reagan,, so you split the difference and go back 40 yrs?

again, different times, cultures, ,

comparison is still off,

we (USA) had the mindset that we could and should police the world,

and between those wars you mention, and some other issues we were either involved in or honestly,, caused,, folks now are tiring of us being the policeman, and footing the bill (as in $$$) for others protections or security, etc,

Trump is the first to step up and actually say that other countries (in NATO for example) need to pay their share of $$

How can we police the world when we can't police Chicago?
Sam

[rayg]

Togor... I believe GM answered your question to me in your post about when did we stop being strong!

Quote GM..Perhaps that was during the 8 years that clinton sold and gave away our military secrets to china and balanced the budget by defunding our military. Likewise with obama's 8 years of defunding our military and giving millions to the muslims along with hillary selling our uranium to the Russians.