Roger Stone is in the News Again ...

[Sandpebble]

Roger Stone ... a traitor as he would deal with the likes of Julian Assange ... is back in the news .

Roger... like quite a few other Presidential friends that have had to appear in court ... has had the pleasure of the President of the United States weigh in....

"Not Fair" is a common lament from the Prez topped with a hint at a pardon . How many times has Mr. trump spread his thoughts on those being tried all over the news ?

What say you about it ???.... that's right... nothing..... and that's....funny

because when Obama weighed in on the likes of a Boston Cop or Trayvon's killer...{and I thought that wrong of him by the way } you all thought that was beneath a President ....

and wanted his blackass hung from a tree for the temerity .

Guess our thinking is different now that we have a King

[togor]

The fact that a jury found Stone guilty is of no importance to the DOJ, which has other plans for Stone. On the plus side, it will look that much worse if Trump pardons him after his DOJ moves for a slap on the wrist.

[Art]

The issue with Stone isn't the conviction but the sentence he received for a bunch of "process crimes." I was in Federal Law Enforcement for a long time and was the case agent in matters that resulted in convictions for a lot of process crimes (usually in plea bargains) and never saw anything like a sentence of 9 years in something like this. If the person convicted got any time at all it never exceeded 2 years. This seems like a big enhancement for the offense of "Contempt of Prosecutor" by failing to cooperate and making the government prove its case in court.

Bill Cosby is a serial rapist and only got 10 years.

Is he being sentenced for what he did or because what he did took place in a political context, or to make an example? If it's anything besides his actual crimes is it justice??

[S.A. Boggs]

Were the prosecutors left over Obamamites by chance? I agree with Art on this. President can pardon without too much trouble on this one...except from the NSD.
Sam

[Art]

Were the prosecutors left over Obamamites by chance? I agree with Art on this. President can pardon without too much trouble on this one...except from the NSD.
Sam

My understanding is the prosecutors were lawyers hired by Mueller for the collusion investigation.

Above I said I only saw one sentence of two years in my time for a process crime. In that case the person was a woman who was a career criminal (motorcycle gang associate) who had a lot of arrests but no convictions only because of the influence of her politically connected mother. She reneged on a plea bargain in which she agreed to cooperate with the government. That is the only case in which a person I delt with in all of my years who got more than one year for any process crime and most got probation. This gal was absolutely the most despicable human being I met in 26 years of law enforcement and that is saying a whole lot.

[togor]

"Process crime." Does that include what Jussie Smollett did?

No sympathy here for Smollett, but none for Stone either.

[Art]

"Process crime." Does that include what Jussie Smollett did?

No sympathy here for Smollett, but none for Stone either.

I would consider making a false police report a process crime. It could be argued that Stone was prosecuted largely for political reasons and Smollett was not prosecuted largely for political reasons.

[togor]

Smollett is back in trouble for it.

[Sandpebble]

The issue with Stone isn't the conviction but the sentence he received for a bunch of "process crimes." I was in Federal Law Enforcement for a long time and was the case agent in matters that resulted in convictions for a lot of process crimes (usually in plea bargains) and never saw anything like a sentence of 9 years in something like this. If the person convicted got any time at all it never exceeded 2 years. This seems like a big enhancement for the offense of "Contempt of Prosecutor" by failing to cooperate and making the government prove its case in court.

Bill Cosby is a serial rapist and only got 10 years.

Is he being sentenced for what he did or because what he did took place in a political context, or to make an example? If it's anything besides his actual crimes is it justice??

Art... you are side stepping the real issue here ... and that is a President weighing in on a trial and intimidating..... just as wrong now as when Obama did it.

The examples you provided may be so... but they did not involve a judge or lawyers attacked by by a sitting President of the United States.

And a President attacking our judicial system just because he knows he can ....is just plain wrong . Un American in fact.....

and for you others .... the fact that anyone may be a left over "Obamamite" is just weaseling around the truth.....

[S.A. Boggs]

Art... you are side stepping the real issue here ... and that is a President weighing in on a trial and intimidating..... just as wrong now as when Obama did it.

The examples you provided may be so... but they did not involve a judge or lawyers attacked by by a sitting President of the United States.

And a President attacking our judicial system just because he knows he can ....is just plain wrong . Un American in fact.....

and for you others .... the fact that anyone may be a left over "Obamamite" is just weaseling around the truth.....

What do you care?
Sam

[Sandpebble]

What do you care?
Sam

Sam.... you go off long and loud about the Constitution of the United States....

it's obvious from your statement .... that I care a lot more than you

[S.A. Boggs]

Sam.... you go off long and loud about the Constitution of the United States....

it's obvious from your statement .... that I care a lot more than you

I had to laugh when you posted that, a NSD carrying about our Republic and Constitution.
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

I had to laugh when you posted that, a NSD carrying about our Republic and Constitution.
Sam

AHC again? The real question is, does he care about spelling?

[togor]

AHC again? The real question is, does he care about spelling?

I'm sure he carrys deeply about it.

[Sandpebble]

We are ALL side stepping what I mentioned to Art ...which was the whole point of this thread and I mentioned this ......

"Art... you are side stepping the real issue here ... and that is a President weighing in on a trial and intimidating ..... just as wrong now as when Obama did it."

Straight up question with out some stupid round about answers from any of you fake Cum Laude's OK ?

How many here think it is "good" for a President to weigh in on a trial and ridicule our judges decisions and intimidate in order to sway a trials outcome .... raise your hands...

Those with your hands raised please explain why you felt the opposite when Obama weighed in on Trayvon Martins case ...let's give that some thought ...