Roger Stone is in the News Again ...

[togor]

Personally I think Trump is way out of line, and showing no self-restraint. To activate every single power the law gives him, in a time of comparative peace and stability, is seriously out of line. There were some voices early in the administration explaining why this is a bad idea, but those buffers are exhausted now. Term 2 would only be worse.

But let's get real. The shortest route to an off ramp is the next election. Failing that, the guy who ruined multiple businesses will proceed to do his worst. My warning to the base is this: every trick Trump pulled through executive action and bogus emergency declarations can be used in the opposite direction in double-quick time on that day when the other party gets the office back.. Don't want that reaction? Should have thought of that sooner.

[Art]

We are ALL side stepping what I mentioned to Art ...which was the whole point of this thread and I mentioned this ......

"Art... you are side stepping the real issue here ... and that is a President weighing in on a trial and intimidating ..... just as wrong now as when Obama did it."

Straight up question with out some stupid round about answers from any of you fake Cum Laude's OK ?

How many here think it is "good" for a President to weigh in on a trial and ridicule our judges decisions and intimidate in order to sway a trials outcome .... raise your hands...

Those with your hands raised please explain why you felt the opposite when Obama weighed in on Trayvon Martins case ...let's give that some thought ...

Actually Obama commenting on Trayvon Martin didn't bother me much and neither does this. In fact Obama used to pontificate on what was "fair" or predjudecial in the world of criminal justice with some regularity, ho humm. It turns out that the DOJ had already decided the recommendation was ridiculous which it is. It won't matter much anyhow. Prosecutorial recommendations have very limited influence on judges anyway. Since the sentencing reforms of the 1980s the discretion of Federal judges is limited by the legally mandated guidelines and if 9 years isn't the very top of the guidelines with every aggravating enhancement possible it's real close. Even if the judge is feeling really punitive toward ole Roge I am sure that pre trial services will come in with a guidelines way below 9 years, in fact way below three years, and if the judge goes outside of that he has to have a darn good reason which is going to be a bit hard dealing with a 67 year old man who apparently has no prior convictions.

Paul Manafort (a seriously naughty guy) is a good example of how little effect sentencing recommendations by prosecutors have. Manafort's prosecutors recommended 12 to 20 years in his Virginia case. The Federal Judge sentenced him to three years and 11 months.

You want to see some real "nads" and some real intimidation? Remember when those ATF Agents went public with the very serious abuses in "Fast and Furious?" Well the Obama Administration tried to fire them. How's that for intimidation and sending a message. They couldn't can them, of course, because they were Career Civil Service employees who did what was right but it's safe to say that, at least as far as advancement goes, their careers dead ended. Those guys weren't hiding out behind any phoney baloney whistleblower B.S. either.

I'm not a "Cum Laude" but I do have experience with the system and I know that Presidents do hold forth on what they think is "fair" in criminal cases including Obama and Trump. Is anyone involved in this going to be actually "intimidated?" probably not. Is a bunch of Mueller prosecutors walking out a political stunt....maybe.

[rayg]

Presidential pardons and acts of clemency....hope this don't get deleted by the OP....LOL....

Obama... Granted 1,715 commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons.

Clinton ... Granted pardons and clemency to 456 people,

Trump..... Only seventeen pardons as of November 15, 2019:

[Sandpebble]

Presidential pardons and acts of clemency....hope this don't get deleted by the OP....LOL....

Obama... Granted 1,715 commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons.

Clinton ... Granted pardons and clemency to 456 people,

Trump..... Only seventeen pardons as of November 15, 2019:

That is in fact an interesting analogy Ray.... however.... did you bother to compare who got pardons and commuatoins ?

How many reprieved by Obama were associates {political to be direct} compared to Trump ? .....

The guy who got 15 years for half a bag of grass sure didn't get some Presedential Weigh In on Twitter....,did he?.... so who did get these Trump Pardons and benefits of attacks on Judges ?

[rayg]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barack_Obama

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-trump

[togor]

Does Trump use Kardashians to screen his applicants? Thought I read something to that effect.

[Sandpebble]

yes Ray ... but those links didn't really answer the question....

[dogtag]

Roger Stone deserves a new trial with a different Judge
as the Jury Foreman was biased as was the Judge.

[rayg]

yes Ray ... but those links didn't really answer the question....

If you're so interested it that, why don't you research it yourself....

[Sandpebble]

If you're so interested it that, why don't you research it yourself....

I did Ray..... that's why I made the comment

[rayg]

yes Ray ... but those links didn't really answer the question....

Too bad.....