Parable

[barretcreek]

That so many of the Democrat contenders for the presidential nomination are either out-and-proud socialists or crypto-socialists doesn't surprise me in the least. They have all been suckling at the government teat, whether directly or via rent-seeking behavior matters not a whit, so why shouldn't they agitate for more government control of everything?

It reminds me of the story of the Soviet party apparatchik (but any country will do) who shows his aging mother his beautiful limousine and dacha and introduces her to his young and beautiful mistress and brags about his fully-stocked pantry, complete with caviar and champagne and fine wines.

She is suitably impressed, but whispers to him when they are alone..."Ivan, it's all wonderful, but what are you going to do when the communists come back?"

[togor]

Plenty of Trump supporters expect government help. Trump even wants the Fed Reserve to figure out a way to prop up the stock market for heaven's sake.

Bernie is old school for sure, and yeah there are some super pissed true believing socialists, but not many. Most Democratic voters these days might just be ordinary people who think Trump isn't up to the job and we're on borrowed time. Can anyone read his Twitter feed and really blame them?

[lyman]

biggest issue the the folks dependent on .gov for income, and the ever increasing number of them,

from Welfare, to VA benefits (deserved, btw) to medicare to gov employees,, etc etc etc,

each and every one is growing, and there is obviously fraud , theft and graft in each,


not a bit of this really has anything to do with who is in the oval office, despite the MSM insisting that each word Trump says is a game changer,,

when you have a large percentage of folks that are supported by the gov, you will get a good portion of that group to vote to keep it that way,

[Sandpebble]

biggest issue the the folks dependent on .gov for income, and the ever increasing number of them,

from Welfare, to VA benefits (deserved, btw) to medicare to gov employees,, etc etc etc,

each and every one is growing, and there is obviously fraud , theft and graft in each,


not a bit of this really has anything to do with who is in the oval office, despite the MSM insisting that each word Trump says is a game changer,,

when you have a large percentage of folks that are supported by the gov, you will get a good portion of that group to vote to keep it that way,

VA Benefits ...deserved BTW you say.

Not all Lyman. Back in the mid 70's when I happily left the military it was with the G.I. Bill educational benefits { I did an apprenticeship through it } and one years free dental....

That was the deal, that was it .

Now I'm talking to vets from long ago going to the VA for free hearing aides, medical and surgical procedures etc etc... none of which were service connected . All claiming it to be their right.

Sorry, but to me a four year enlistment entitled "most" of us to nothing more than our seperation papers leading to discharge ..... no life long medical benefits or ... even 10 % discount at Home Depot.

And now I'm sure I'll be attacked for this from the crowd that supports a man who has denegrated Veterans more than any other President we've had . { sorry, backing Eddie Gallagher doesn't count }

[Major Tom]

I receive VA medical benefits and gladly so. It sure beats paying thousands of dollars per year for private medical insurance that doesn't cover squat. On Jan. 1, 2020, my wife's medical insurance changed drastically to the point it basically covers nothing. pays out nothing but cost her $600 p/month.

[togor]

I receive VA medical benefits and gladly so. It sure beats paying thousands of dollars per year for private medical insurance that doesn't cover squat. On Jan. 1, 2020, my wife's medical insurance changed drastically to the point it basically covers nothing. pays out nothing but cost her $600 p/month.

Basically an indictment of the current for profit system.

[Roadkingtrax]

Basically an indictment of the current for profit system.

...and COBRA.

[k arga]

Sandpebble, for once I agree with you.

[rayg]

VA Benefits ...deserved BTW you say.

Not all Lyman. Back in the mid 70's when I happily left the military it was with the G.I. Bill educational benefits { I did an apprenticeship through it } and one years free dental....

That was the deal, that was it .

Now I'm talking to vets from long ago going to the VA for free hearing aides, medical and surgical procedures etc etc... none of which were service connected . All claiming it to be their right.

Sorry, but to me a four year enlistment entitled "most" of us to nothing more than our seperation papers leading to discharge ..... no life long medical benefits or ... even 10 % discount at Home Depot.

And now I'm sure I'll be attacked for this from the crowd that supports a man who has denegrated Veterans more than any other President we've had . { sorry, backing Eddie Gallagher doesn't count }

You are always spouting off about nothing you know about. For instance. The hearing aids are approved and provided to troops that went through the military and were exposed to the firing of guns or loud explosions without ear protection especially as in the early years. Now days ear protection is provided to those being in such situations. AS you are gun collector and shooter you know what damage shooting can do to your hearing if not wearing protection. Well stand next to a tank firing it's cannon, and you won't be able to hear right for hours. Image what it does to your ears. Ear protection was not provided for troops were needed until I think about the 60's or 70's. They test you for hearing loss before they pay any thing and if you qualify according to how you received the loss....

Also the VA will cover other service related injuries that occurred or was related while in the service. You need to provide proof it occurred or was related to service. Also If you have pvt insurance, the VA will seek to obtain reimbursement costs from your insurance company.

[rayg]

Plenty of Trump supporters expect government help. Trump even wants the Fed Reserve to figure out a way to prop up the stock market for heaven's sake.

Bernie is old school for sure, and yeah there are some super pissed true believing socialists, but not many. Most Democratic voters these days might just be ordinary people who think Trump isn't up to the job and we're on borrowed time. Can anyone read his Twitter feed and really blame them?

"Plenty of Trump supporters expect government help".
Oh please..The trump supporters for the most part, are not the ones on welfare or seeking freebies.....

[Roadkingtrax]

By all means...cut away.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...amp-work-rules

A House Republican plan to set stricter work rules for food stamp recipients would disproportionately affect low-income residents in states that supported Donald Trump for president and may imperil passage of farm legislation.

[rayg]

Basically an indictment of the current for profit system.

Do you know what injuries he is collecting it for? You don't know do you! Don't criticize until you know the full story..

[rayg]

By all means...cut away.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...amp-work-rules

A House Republican plan to set stricter work rules for food stamp recipients would disproportionately affect low-income residents in states that supported Donald Trump for president and may imperil passage of farm legislation.

Only in those few rural states, Lets look at these states and compare the numbers on welfare in the rest of the country..NY, CA, IL, NJ, etc. you can't pick or chose only the states you want. And especially an article by a liberal source...

[lyman]

VA Benefits ...deserved BTW you say.

Not all Lyman. Back in the mid 70's when I happily left the military it was with the G.I. Bill educational benefits { I did an apprenticeship through it } and one years free dental....

That was the deal, that was it .

Now I'm talking to vets from long ago going to the VA for free hearing aides, medical and surgical procedures etc etc... none of which were service connected . All claiming it to be their right.

Sorry, but to me a four year enlistment entitled "most" of us to nothing more than our seperation papers leading to discharge ..... no life long medical benefits or ... even 10 % discount at Home Depot.

And now I'm sure I'll be attacked for this from the crowd that supports a man who has denegrated Veterans more than any other President we've had . { sorry, backing Eddie Gallagher doesn't count }

there are abuses in every system, including the VA,,

[togor]

Do you know what injuries he is collecting it for? You don't know do you! Don't criticize until you know the full story..

Reread his post instead of rushing to argue with me.

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By all means...cut away.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...amp-work-rules

A House Republican plan to set stricter work rules for food stamp recipients would disproportionately affect low-income residents in states that supported Donald Trump for president and may imperil passage of farm legislation.

Isn't that the point? Even solid red states have a 40% turnout that goes the other way.

This country was founded on cheap labor, in case anyone has forgotten that.