Ah so the Dems win again...

[togor]

If we could trade one or two aircraft carrier battle groups for the dollar equivalent in pandemic protection--infrastructure for wide scale testing, PPE stockpiles, etc., would that be an attractive trade?

One man's wasteful government spending is another man's example of returning value to the taxpayers.

[rayg]

I think Togor may have a point there. He should run for congress or even president. As he always has good recommendations on how to spend your money..Lol..

[Vern Humphrey]

I think Togor may have a point there. He should run for congress or even president. As he always has good recommendations on how to spend your money..Lol..

First qualification for a left-wing politician. The second qualification is to know how to divert some of your money into his pocket.

[lyman]

If we could trade one or two aircraft carrier battle groups for the dollar equivalent in pandemic protection--infrastructure for wide scale testing, PPE stockpiles, etc., would that be an attractive trade?

One man's wasteful government spending is another man's example of returning value to the taxpayers.

wow,


gone full left wing D there,

[togor]

wow,


gone full left wing D there,

Stop and think for a second,

The military is always fighting the last war, so they say.

The CV was a premier weapon 75 years ago. Some say, along side the submarine. But subs didn't dominate the seas and skies around Okinawa.

Anyways,

This latest threat is biological. The total mass of all Covid-19 virus in the entire world? Maybe a few hundred kg--probably could fit in the back of a F250.

I don't think this one was weaponized, but the next one could be. Especially if this one runs roughshod over our country and gives another country a big idea going forward.

So in a fuller picture view, the threats in the future may not be best met with weapons systems like the ones we build today.

Blowing up the enemy's BSL4 lab with a strike from the Ronald Reagan may not be a terrific idea.

The question going forward could be,

if there isn't enough money for both,

Another CVN or a testing lab/proper PPE stockpile? Which will be more valuable protecting the country? We have alternatives to CVNs for projecting power. There is no substitute for mass testing and PPE in a national pandemic.

The question may get asked.

[S.A. Boggs]

I think Togor may have a point there. He should run for congress or even president. As he always has good recommendations on how to spend your money..Lol..

Will he qualify like Barry did?
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

wow,


gone full left wing D there,

Yep. Wave bye bye -- he's circling the bowl.

[lyman]

Stop and think for a second,

The military is always fighting the last war, so they say.

The CV was a premier weapon 75 years ago. Some say, along side the submarine. But subs didn't dominate the seas and skies around Okinawa.

Anyways,

This latest threat is biological. The total mass of all Covid-19 virus in the entire world? Maybe a few hundred kg--probably could fit in the back of a F250.

I don't think this one was weaponized, but the next one could be. Especially if this one runs roughshod over our country and gives another country a big idea going forward.

So in a fuller picture view, the threats in the future may not be best met with weapons systems like the ones we build today.

Blowing up the enemy's BSL4 lab with a strike from the Ronald Reagan may not be a terrific idea.

The question going forward could be,

if there isn't enough money for both,

Another CVN or a testing lab/proper PPE stockpile? Which will be more valuable protecting the country? We have alternatives to CVNs for projecting power. There is no substitute for mass testing and PPE in a national pandemic.

The question may get asked.

seems a bit short sighted to me,

eliminate a carrier group, and invest in ppe,,,,



hmm,,,


maybe eliminate the pork you like in the COVID bill, and do the same,

or???


but then again, you are likely posting you are anti military just to get an argument or discussion going,,

just like your fuddy comments,



getting tiresome tho

[Vern Humphrey]

seems a bit short sighted to me,

eliminate a carrier group, and invest in ppe,,,,



hmm,,,


maybe eliminate the pork you like in the COVID bill, and do the same,

or???


but then again, you are likely posting you are anti military just to get an argument or discussion going,,

just like your fuddy comments,



getting tiresome tho

Tiresome, indeed. He's like a toddler being toilet trained -- and he's figured a way to get all of Mama's attention.

[togor]

Lyman,

Obviously,

Mothballing a carrier group won't give us more PPE.

Seriously.

But it gets to the question....what are the threats of the future that matter most?

As an aside, people here have questioned whether the F-35 has proven to be a step in the right direction.

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Tiresome, indeed. He's like a toddler being toilet trained -- and he's figured a way to get all of Mama's attention.

48kW of backup power and that's the best you got?

[lyman]

wondering,

we do not have socialized medicine,

localities and to some extent the Feds regulate hospitals,

but most all (VA excepted) are private ventures,


correct?

Bon Secours is a Catholic hospital group IIRC,

the rest are big corporations,

most all cash flow going thru insurance companies,





so,,


where am I going with this???

[togor]

Where?

Possibly wondering how we fully prepare for an exceptional pandemic situation with a health care system that is an aggregate of many different public and private entities.

It's a good question.

But,

future viruses won't care if we hesitate to respond while hashing out how everyone gets paid.

So there's that.

[RED]

No, that is a total BS, Lie. Only the Democrats thinks this little virus should cause people to get paid. The Swine Flu sickened 60 million Americans... to date the CV has infected 113,000.

The difference was the president in 2008 was a Democrat and there is NOTHING he ever did that was questioned.

The Dems have used this to fund their effort to pay voters to vote for them.

[lyman]

wondering if the Obummercare 2.3% tax on medical equipment would have had anything to do with the number of ventilators we don't apparently have,



and mostly private,, thus the gov regulates, but is not in direct control of , correct?

[togor]

A vent is a low end piece of equipment compared to say a MRI. I would say no, that the tax on the vent is in the noise compared to other considerations like staffing and how many ICU beds the facility wants to support.