Another quote from Biden

[S.A. Boggs]

Quote..What age did you become an alcoholic?

And you are saying this is a legitimate question? Oh please...Lol..

This is a classic example of reverse argument that is often seen by clinicians. All one has to do is to observe "their" arguments and rebuttal to see the emotional age. Just sit back and "listen" to "them" and come away amused. Remember what Art Linkletter once said, "Children say the darnedest things!"
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

This is a classic example of reverse argument that is often seen by clinicians. All one has to do is to observe "their" arguments and rebuttal to see the emotional age. Just sit back and "listen" to "them" and come away amused. Remember what Art Linkletter once said, "Children say the darnedest things!"
Sam

Sam, you brought alcoholism into the conversation.

Why?

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IIRC Sam did admit at one time that strong drink was not conducive to his leading of a civil life. So he opens that door.

Back when indoor smoking was allowed, I knew people who were vociferous against second hand smoke, who were themselves....former smokers.

(I've always regarded the stale mixture of cigarette smoke and spilled beer to be festive smell, of a beer garden, or ballpark, or picnic. But then I've never had the pleasure of waking up after a night of too many beers and cigarettes. My older brother, who did, said it isn't good.)

Old demons perhaps.

[togor]

This is a classic example of reverse argument that is often seen by clinicians. All one has to do is to observe "their" arguments and rebuttal to see the emotional age. Just sit back and "listen" to "them" and come away amused. Remember what Art Linkletter once said, "Children say the darnedest things!"
Sam

And then there are those who pretend to be clinicians.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/846423/trust-me-doctor-bbc-jodie-whittaker

Money quote:

The reasons why people do it are fascinating. Mostly, for men, it seems to be about status and power. They are often people who have superficial relationships and enjoy being something they're not.

Sounds about right?

[S.A. Boggs]

engineer.jpg

Apparently a "trained engineer" drives this type of vehicle. One way to show the superiority and an interesting sense of self worth.
Sam

[shadycon]

Spare tire bracket, needs tire so as to not be bare! By the way big brother wouldn't fit.

[Roadkingtrax]

That's illegal in Arizona (blurred plate). Needs mudflaps...and that's not the preferred southern Ohio haircut, I mean real mudflaps.

[togor]

Boggs shows how little you know about engineers. Not many in your area, since there are few businesses there that can support the salary structure. The region is too poor economically, unfortunately, because there is tremendous natural beauty to it. And it's a hard region to get in or out of, comparatively speaking, which creates a certain cultural isolation.

[S.A. Boggs]

Boggs shows how little you know about engineers. Not many in your area, since there are few businesses there that can support the salary structure. The region is too poor economically, unfortunately, because there is tremendous natural beauty to it. And it's a hard region to get in or out of, comparatively speaking, which creates a certain cultural isolation.

Wrong as usual, Ohio University turns out many GRADUATE ENGINEERS each year along with Doctors and many nurses degrees. Sadly a "trained" engineer might not know this. As I stated before, really Art Linkletter, "Kids say the darnedest things!" Togey, isn't it time for you to change a light bulb or something? Being a "trained" maintenance engineer is an essential occupation and I am glad that you are on the job. One of the beauties of living in this AO is what we have and better yet what we don't have. People come here for vacation, Wolf and I simply get in my F-150 and go.
Sam

[togor]

Well it depends on one's definition of "many". The tech sector in S. Ohio is what it is, and there's no way you can spin that. Many of the region's best and brightest need to leave to realize their full potential.

Most engineers find monster trucks too impractical a toy. That said, those trucks take skill to make and even drive. And money! More money than a Social Worker's salary! Someone who needs help changing his own oil really ought not to sneer at them.

[S.A. Boggs]

Well it depends on one's definition of "many". The tech sector in S. Ohio is what it is, and there's no way you can spin that. Many of the region's best and brightest need to leave to realize their full potential.

Most engineers find monster trucks too impractical a toy. That said, those trucks take skill to make and even drive. And money! More money than a Social Worker's salary! Someone who needs help changing his own oil really ought not to sneer at them.

Who sneer's? I have better things to do with my time then to change oil, I leave that up to my garage and pay them to do it. It's not that changing oil is beneath me having had chemo it is not a good idea. As to salary I doubt that! By the way, just how much does a trained engineer make these day's? You need to go help RKT as he is waiting on you to reply as apparently he is unable to.
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

The median salary for mechanical engineers in 2018, was a little over 87k a year. Much more if you were a P.E.

Regional variations do exist, and typically follow cost of living.

[togor]

You were sneering at that guy's rig. If you understood what went into it, you wouldn't. It's not my cup of tea, but if I met the guy in a parking lot, and there was time, I would sure as heck talk to him about it. Probably find him to be a capable guy, too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salarie...alary-by-State

That's all fields, full range of experience. A process engineer in an ethanol plant will make a *lot* less than a design engineer for one of the Big Five in tech.

In my line those are starting salaries with a bachelor's degree.

You try to needle me about engineering, as if I regret the life choice. But I don't. I get to design and build some pretty cool stuff, get paid good money for it, get treated reasonably well by the bosses, and pay forward to the next generation some of what the really old guys taught me. I've been a manager too but making stuff is more rewarding so that's what I do. Unlike you I'm not trying to make it more than it is, because what it is, is enough.

And I still do my own oil changes and a lot of the auto repairs, because it reminds me of where I came from.

[S.A. Boggs]

You were sneering at that guy's rig. If you understood what went into it, you wouldn't. It's not my cup of tea, but if I met the guy in a parking lot, and there was time, I would sure as heck talk to him about it. Probably find him to be a capable guy, too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salarie...alary-by-State

That's all fields, full range of experience. A process engineer in an ethanol plant will make a *lot* less than a design engineer for one of the Big Five in tech.

In my line those are starting salaries with a bachelor's degree.

You try to needle me about engineering, as if I regret the life choice. But I don't. I get to design and build some pretty cool stuff, get paid good money for it, get treated reasonably well by the bosses, and pay forward to the next generation some of what the really old guys taught me. I've been a manager too but making stuff is more rewarding so that's what I do. Unlike you I'm not trying to make it more than it is, because what it is, is enough.

And I still do my own oil changes and a lot of the auto repairs, because it reminds me of where I came from.

Again, thank you for proving the point...much obliged!
Sam

[togor]

So now you sneer at guys who grew up fixing their own cars?

Wow.

Maybe I should pity you.

[S.A. Boggs]

So now you sneer at guys who grew up fixing their own cars?

Wow.

Maybe I should pity you.

Togey I started working on vehicles back in 1960 as I come from a Teamster Family, local 299. Drivers license age 16 then @ 18 Chauffeur's License, motorcycle endorsement @ 19...I am 68 now.

Still got a small scar on the underside of my arm with a slipped screwdriver working on a TR-3...mine. Back when I rode bikes did all of my own work including changing sprockets and chains. In my closet is a well worn leather jacket from Saks 5th Avenue along with my gloves, boots and chains wore out long ago. Know what it is like to blow a head gasket in high rev going up a winding hill and have to walk the bike back down? Watch your buddy get hit sideways by an idiot who couldn't see a biker?
Yea Togey pity me as only you could do it.
Sam