Here is Good News from the Trump Administration

[togor]

Ray, you think Trump should get a Medal of Freedom for the job he's done? You really think he's been that perfect?

[rayg]

Ray, you think Trump should get a Medal of Freedom for the job he's done?

You really think he's been that perfect?

Did you NOT read the first sentence in my post! Where I said, Trump has faults!...Did that sound like I said he was perfect...Well here we go again, another time you said something that I said but I never did...You're starting to set a record of these delusional posts were you say, I said something when I didn't..About 4 times in the couple weeks or so. Sleeping well lately..Lol

[togor]

Next question....how would you rank the Federal response to Covid overall? Have the Feds done a good job in your opinion? Examples?

[rayg]

I think Trump flubbed his initial response to the virus in the beginning by sitting on it, no question about that! but he turned around and has been doing a fairly decent job now of putting things together. Probably there have been some mistakes made, but under the circumstances probably as well as any one could under the circumstances,,,

[togor]

That's a pretty universal assessment. Right now the states are leading the way and the Feds are in the back seat. Do you think the Feds should try to get back out in front on this one?

[rayg]

That's a pretty universal assessment. Right now the states are leading the way and the Feds are in the back seat. Do you think the Feds should try to get back out in front on this one?

That's beyond my limited knowledge to comment one way or another..Wasn't that what the Civil War was fought over,,,What do you think?..

[TSimonetti]

I think Trump flubbed his initial response to the virus in the beginning by sitting on it, no question about that! but he turned around and has been doing a fairly decent job now of putting things together. Probably there have been some mistakes made, but under the circumstances probably as well as any one could under the circumstances,,,

Make no mistake, the experts are now saying that China's misleading statements early, and destroying evidence and secrecy, as well as the WHO's incorrect early assessments did tend to slow down Trump and federal response. Early on, we had Democrats like Pelosi and DeBlasio encouraging people to come out and enjoy the sights and not be afraid. Experts like Fauci were saying the US had little to fear from Corona virus.....Media was also poo-pooing Coronavirus saying seasonal flu is much worse. Trump's early hesitant response mirrored the conventional wisdom at the time. The single time he veered away from conventional wisdom is when he enacted the china travel ban, and he was universally slammed at the time for being a racist and xenophobe but turns out that was the correct response and he knew it.

[TSimonetti]

That's a pretty universal assessment. Right now the states are leading the way and the Feds are in the back seat. Do you think the Feds should try to get back out in front on this one?

What do you want the Feds to do now that the states are not doing? States with the largest outbreaks are doing a magnificent job. Fauci said that states who do not have lockdown orders are still encouraging the very policies that are critical to flatten the curve. Do you know that Sweden is not enacting a national lockdown? They are simply encouraging their citizens to do the right thing and stay home and social distance themselves from others. Not every solution requires an iron fisted central authority and the Coronavirus should not be able to kill our Constitution.

[lyman]

What do you want the Feds to do now that the states are not doing? States with the largest outbreaks are doing a magnificent job. Fauci said that states who do not have lockdown orders are still encouraging the very policies that are critical to flatten the curve. Do you know that Sweden is not enacting a national lockdown? They are simply encouraging their citizens to do the right thing and stay home and social distance themselves from others. Not every solution requires an iron fisted central authority and the Coronavirus should not be able to kill our Constitution.

togor believes feds and esp the president rule all,

states rights , and responsibilities appear to be secondary

[Vern Humphrey]

togor believes feds and esp the president rule all,

states rights , and responsibilities appear to be secondary

And individual rights do not exist at all.

"10 The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all."

Can anyone guess where that quote came from?

[togor]

That's beyond my limited knowledge to comment one way or another..Wasn't that what the Civil War was fought over,,,What do you think?..

I think it's a hard question. Having put the states in front, it will be hard to get them back in line. After counting their dead, NY and NJ are going to be in a grim mood. If the Federal government wants to be seen as doing something useful going forward, it would have to be for the next phase, which is managing the virus at some level while waiting for a treatment or vaccine that allows us to get to the last phase.

If the CDC could come up with an antibody test, figure out how to get it out there on a mass scale, and come up with a logistically realistic plan for mass antibody testing, it would clear up a tremendous amount of uncertainty in the economy.

In war, once you lose the initiative, getting it back can be a b*tch. The virus never sleeps.

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togor believes feds and esp the president rule all,

states rights , and responsibilities appear to be secondary

What I think is that the sooner the virus is beaten the better.

Something that is going to tie our life up in knots for a year or two, why not go somewhat to a wartime mindset?

I guess lyman thinks the way the country mobilized the economy for WW2 was federal overreach and an unnecessary infringement on state's rights.

[TSimonetti]

I think it's a hard question. Having put the states in front, it will be hard to get them back in line. After counting their dead, NY and NJ are going to be in a grim mood. If the Federal government wants to be seen as doing something useful going forward, it would have to be for the next phase, which is managing the virus at some level while waiting for a treatment or vaccine that allows us to get to the last phase.

If the CDC could come up with an antibody test, figure out how to get it out there on a mass scale, and come up with a logistically realistic plan for mass antibody testing, it would clear up a tremendous amount of uncertainty in the economy.

In war, once you lose the initiative, getting it back can be a b*tch. The virus never sleeps.

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What I think is that the sooner the virus is beaten the better.

Something that is going to tie our life up in knots for a year or two, why not go somewhat to a wartime mindset?

I guess lyman thinks the way the country mobilized the economy for WW2 was federal overreach and an unnecessary infringement on state's rights.

Sometimes knee jerk federal power is misguided and even wrongheaded. Witness all of the caterwauling over ventilators. The Democrats were crying for Trump to use the Defense Authorization Act (in an arguably illegal manner by the way) to compel Auto manufacturers to produce ventilators. But as we are soon learning, No state is projected to be short even one ventilator for patients who need one. In fact, ventilators appear to be a last last resort and based on real usage data from around the world, 80 to 90 percent of patients who are given one die soon after. Doctors are now rethinking the use of ventilators and there is evidence that lower pressure oxygen delivery systems could be adequate in many cases and allow some patients to struggle through the episode instead of surrendering their entire breathing function to a machine that does have a few very bad side effects.


And nobody is quoting the vast number of people who have recovered from this virus without needing one or the potential number who have gotten the disease and didn't know it and got better. All the media is focused on is confirmed cases and deaths which is the wrong metric to focus on. In retrospect, the frantic attempts to ramp up ventilator production using the power of the Federal Government was indeed misguided and wrongheaded.

Oh and don't even get me started on the horrible prediction models with their changing goal posts, one of them being funded by Bill and melinda Gates, which vastly overestimated the need for hospital beds, infection numbers, death toll etc. and caused much of this panic in the first place. I think we will really need to rethink our reliance on prediction models or at least the way in which they are programmed, interpreted, and reported during future events of this kind.

[togor]

What do people think will happen if we just sound the all clear and let everyone go back to the way it was? Less than 1% of the country has immunity to this thing. Before criticizing the Worst Case Scenarios that have been put out there, walk it through for us.

[lyman]

I think it's a hard question. Having put the states in front, it will be hard to get them back in line. After counting their dead, NY and NJ are going to be in a grim mood. If the Federal government wants to be seen as doing something useful going forward, it would have to be for the next phase, which is managing the virus at some level while waiting for a treatment or vaccine that allows us to get to the last phase.

If the CDC could come up with an antibody test, figure out how to get it out there on a mass scale, and come up with a logistically realistic plan for mass antibody testing, it would clear up a tremendous amount of uncertainty in the economy.

In war, once you lose the initiative, getting it back can be a b*tch. The virus never sleeps.

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What I think is that the sooner the virus is beaten the better.

Something that is going to tie our life up in knots for a year or two, why not go somewhat to a wartime mindset?

I guess lyman thinks the way the country mobilized the economy for WW2 was federal overreach and an unnecessary infringement on state's rights.

there is no comparison of the 2,


you should really step back and look at what you have posted in the past,

[lyman]

What do people think will happen if we just sound the all clear and let everyone go back to the way it was? Less than 1% of the country has immunity to this thing. Before criticizing the Worst Case Scenarios that have been put out there, walk it through for us.

that will only happen in your world,

in the world the rest of us live in, things will likely go back to normal, slowly, and there will be some cases that will continue,

and the media, (in the fashion Tsimonetti posted) will scream about it until Nov,,,