Biden caught lying again

[Vern Humphrey]

Please back your comment up with some facts ....

Here are some facts:

According to reports from the Associated Press, (Hudson) Hallum, his father, and two campaign workers pled guilty Wednesday to conspiracy to commit election fraud after federal prosecutors said the lawmaker’s campaign bribed absentee voters and destroyed ballots in a special election last year. Interestingly, the two “campaign workers” are also elected officials: one is Philip Wayne Carter, a West Memphis city councilman, and the other is Sam Malone, a West Memphis police officer, a Crittenden County Justice of the Peace, and a member of the West Memphis school board.

https://www.thearkansasproject.com/confirmed-vote-fraud-in-arkansas/

According to Pederson’s report, Lee County has three voter registration forms for Dapheontay Davis. But according to Davis’s grandmother, Lillie Palmer, only one of the forms bears her actual signature — a valid signature is required on all Arkansas voter registrations:

https://www.thearkansasproject.com/proof-voter-fraud-does-not-exist-in-arkansas-ok-but-only-in-east-arkansas/

Just look at the 2018 congressional race in North Carolina that was overturned by the state election board. Or the mayor of Gordon, Alabama, who was removed from office last year after his conviction for absentee ballot fraud.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/09/database-swells-to-1285-proven-cases-of-voter-fraud-in-america/

[togor]

Please back your comment up with some facts ....

You need me to dial up another Google search?

How many of these do we have to do before you accept I don't go up without a flight plan?

[togor]

The reply to Vernon is simple. Voter fraud is already illegal. So enforce the laws on the books instead of adding new ones which just inconvenience honest people.

Does that logic sound familiar? It should.

[togor]

Here you go, Ray, some literacy tests from back in the day. Try some!!

https://www.crmvet.org/info/lithome.htm

The people who did this....some died, others switched parties. But let's be honest it's a national problem now, in no way peculiar to the south.

Added:

This is a good one! 4 page voter application, but Party Affiliation not part of the form. The link explains the reason.

https://www.crmvet.org/info/litapp.htm

It shows the kind of ingenuity that people were willing to deploy in order to get the results they wanted.

[rayg]

Your two references refer to the 1965 Civil Rights movement

Yes passed in 1965...55 years ago..the law of the land. But my question was how does that equate to your post that People in Arkansas tell a lot of whoppers as that was my question!....

[lyman]

The reply to Vernon is simple. Voter fraud is already illegal. So enforce the laws on the books instead of adding new ones which just inconvenience honest people.

Does that logic sound familiar? It should.

yet in the past you have said (or typed) that the laws we have don't work and more laws (restrictions) are needed,

[Vern Humphrey]

Your two references refer to the 1965 Civil Rights movement

Yes passed in 1965...55 years ago..the law of the land. But my question was how does that equate to your post that People in Arkansas tell a lot of whoppers as that was my question!....

It doesn't -- he's a bigot, and he's expressing his bigotry.

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yet in the past you have said (or typed) that the laws we have don't work and more laws (restrictions) are needed,

Consistency is not his strong suit.

But two points should be made:

1. The existing laws should be ENFORCED (but the people in power benefit from violating the law.)
2. NEW laws that extend "vote harvesting" and so on should NOT be passed.

[togor]

yet in the past you have said (or typed) that the laws we have don't work and more laws (restrictions) are needed,

If you actually read my posts instead of scanning them, and then inserting your own interpretation, you would have seen that

I argue for consistency with respect to gun and ballot laws, generally on the side of liberality, but not so anchored to dogma as to be blind to real world consequences.

Nonetheless the charge sticks. The logic that some hang on the liberals with respect to gun laws, is the exact same logic being used to demand ever further ballot restrictions. Every time a close election is lost, the problem is that the ballot laws were too liberal and need some kind of tightening. Every time there is a bad shooting, the problem is that the gun laws were too liberal and need some kind of tightening. It's the exact same logic.

[lyman]

If you actually read my posts instead of scanning them, and then inserting your own interpretation, you would have seen that

I argue for consistency with respect to gun and ballot laws, generally on the side of liberality, but not so anchored to dogma as to be blind to real world consequences.

Nonetheless the charge sticks. The logic that some hang on the liberals with respect to gun laws, is the exact same logic being used to demand ever further ballot restrictions. Every time a close election is lost, the problem is that the ballot laws were too liberal and need some kind of tightening. Every time there is a bad shooting, the problem is that the gun laws were too liberal and need some kind of tightening. It's the exact same logic.

I have read the volume you post, even read the articles you posted,


my statement stands,

not sure why you get so defensive when someone points out your inconsistency,


there have been several threads that you posted we needed to have more gun laws, (chicago comes to mind for some reason) and many as well that you wanted 0 restrictions on voting, or what you called restrictions,

[Vern Humphrey]

Now me, I think EVERYONE should be allowed to vote. Just show up at the polls with your rifle and field gear, present your current Rifle Qualification Card, show that your ammo pouches are full, and you're good to go.

[togor]

I have read the volume you post, even read the articles you posted,


my statement stands,

not sure why you get so defensive when someone points out your inconsistency,


there have been several threads that you posted we needed to have more gun laws, (chicago comes to mind for some reason) and many as well that you wanted 0 restrictions on voting, or what you called restrictions,

Was wondering if you were going to reply via strawman or ad hominem attack.

Answer: both!

Instead of replying to the argument before you, you opt instead to reply to your version of a past exchange. And for good measure, I'm "defensive!" now.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Neither of which contradict the parallel I drew between responses to those two tragedies, the mass shooting and narrow election loss to a Liberal.

[lyman]

Was wondering if you were going to reply via strawman or ad hominem attack.

Answer: both!

Instead of replying to the argument before you, you opt instead to reply to your version of a past exchange. And for good measure, I'm "defensive!" now.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Neither of which contradict the parallel I drew between responses to those two tragedies, the mass shooting and narrow election loss to a Liberal.

lordy,


your post is defensive, only you fail to see it,

and you cling to your defense of not being defensive by posting up more links, to prove how defensive you are not being because it is someone ad hominemly strawman gaslighting the issues (twist and turn much??)


you cannot stand to be called out for what you expect from others, , and then get aggressively defensive to attempt to prove you are not,,


keep digging,

[Vern Humphrey]

lordy,


your post is defensive, only you fail to see it,

and you cling to your defense of not being defensive by posting up more links, to prove how defensive you are not being because it is someone ad hominemly strawman gaslighting the issues (twist and turn much??)


you cannot stand to be called out for what you expect from others, , and then get aggressively defensive to attempt to prove you are not,,


keep digging,

Help me out here.

A "Strawman" is a logical fallacy (a means of cheating) by erecting an argument that's easy to refute, and claiming it's your opponent's argument. What strawman did you erect?

Ad Hominem is an attempt to refute an argument by citing the person making it. When did you do that?

Or is he just throwing accusations around and hoping one will stick?

[lyman]

Help me out here.

A "Strawman" is a logical fallacy (a means of cheating) by erecting an argument that's easy to refute, and claiming it's your opponent's argument. What strawman did you erect?

Ad Hominem is an attempt to refute an argument by citing the person making it. When did you do that?

Or is he just throwing accusations around and hoping one will stick?

backpeddling or as RED says, twist and turn, since he got called out, with no way out,

[Vern Humphrey]

backpeddling or as RED says, twist and turn, since he got called out, with no way out,

He gets himself in a hols, and just keeps digging.