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PS I believe Kenosha is a Dem run city also...Comment
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Last edited by Roadkingtrax; 08-24-2020, 07:27."The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. UllmanComment
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Which means what? That the Kenosha PD does things differently now?
I watched the video. God I hate watching these but it's necessary. My thoughts were: man that was unnecessary, and did the cops have an opportunity to plant a weapon somewhere on the scene to justify the shooting?
Ray because you were on the other side, you just don't understand how the public perceives police. When they see something like that, they see this is the training, this is how they're taught to do things. They don't see "ineffective cop going off script" because they never see the actual script. And the unions don't help. If whoever did the shooting gets thrown under the bus, the question remains, wouldn't it have been better to prevent underperforming cops from being on the street in the first place?
My sister's stepson is Milwaukee PD, I want to say about 5 years now. She ran into one of the instructors just after her stepson completed training, and the guy said "he was one of the good ones." What that tells me is the police departments have the same problem that all employers do, getting talented employees. The difference is most employers don't send their bad hires out on the streets with an authorization to use deadly force, do they? Small wonder communities are examining if there isn't a better way to do this.Last edited by togor; 08-24-2020, 10:04.Comment
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[QUOTE=togor;594045] Which means what? That the Kenosha PD does things differently now?
That mayor and the governor are Dems...The police union are members of the Kenosha PD and do make any laws. Only enforce them...
From what read is the guy just should have obeyed the order by the officers to stop. Then shooting, right or wrong, would have been prevented. All he had to do was just stop.Comment
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[QUOTE=rayg;594048]How many politicians were on that stop? The Mayor? Governor? President? None of them were.
You saw the video, you know the training. You tell me, was that by-the-book? Genuinely want to know.
Added: another question. How come LEOs are so early to draw? In these videos, even when no triggers get pulled, the cops have their guns out in neighborhoods where there are lots of bystanders, little kids, who for whatever reason are not feeling the same level of danger, aren't reaching for their guns. Why does the LEO firearm enter the conversation so early?Last edited by togor; 08-24-2020, 11:30.Comment
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I repeat...From what I read the guy just should have obeyed the order by the officers to stop. Then shooting, right or wrong, would have been prevented. All he had to do was just stop.Comment
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Maybe.
But what you're saying is....unless you're perfect, the cops might shoot you, and then it's on you because you weren't perfect. Who wants a police force like that? Nobody except the cops, because that is pretty much the definition of a Police State: if you're not perfect, you're dead. Kenosha PD, meet the Iranian Guards! So you might want to rethink your position a bit.
Reports are sketchy still, but one is that he was going to check on his kids, which were in the van. It was damned hot yesterday. If the AC was off and the windows shut, then the kids *need* checking on.
Added: Ray, really hoping to hear your explanation of why they draw so early in the process.Last edited by togor; 08-24-2020, 07:17.Comment
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THE GUY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED, he is now!
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Well..the rioting is only helping Trump win. It would have been better for the Dem's if they would have let the law play out in court but people, including me, are just damned tried of seeing these riots and destruction of cities....And Togor just keeps trying to down play it. But he can't..Comment
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It's not clear which way opinion is going to break. You may not realize it but even by Conservative standards, your police-can-do-no-wrong attitude is an outlier. Most people, including blacks, want some kind of police presence. Someone called the Kenosha PD to respond to an argument between two women over a fender bender. But when police come and things escalate like that, then the police become part of the problem. You're not capable of seeing that but it is unquestionably true. Kenosha PD can't respond to a fender-bender without shooting someone.
What you haven't picked up on yet is that the chaos, division in Trump's language now has a counterpart in the streets. You don't see it because you ignore that stuff from him, but others do see it. The closing line from the Biden campaign might simply be "we have to restore a sense of decency to the Oval Office before we can expect to see decency return to the streets". People will get that.Last edited by togor; 08-25-2020, 04:40.Comment
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