Title: The Election That Could Break America; online -The Atlantic

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  • SUPERX-M1
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 224

    #1

    Title: The Election That Could Break America; online -The Atlantic

    Massive article online , and will be available in print mag by October. The November edition. by Barton Gellman Atlantic considers the article to be an emergency red alert. Or is that a blue alert?

    Very anti Trump- Outlines his sins and failings in detail, what post election will be like etc.

    Trump is certainly not exemplary, so they have many points to cover.
    Last edited by SUPERX-M1; 09-25-2020, 08:23.
  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #2
    Yes it's a problem.

    This David Frum quote captures the issue succinctly:

    Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.
    No one here will actively dispute this.
    Last edited by togor; 09-25-2020, 05:08.

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    • S.A. Boggs
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 8579

      #3
      America NEEDS to reject the alien concept of democracy, this cancer on our Republic. Togey wants democracy, mob rule! Just look at our streets and see the outcome of democracy...mob rule?
      Sam

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      • Roadkingtrax
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 7835

        #4
        For those not wanting to read, the article has a SoundCloud link for an audible file. It's right below the first image.
        "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #5
          Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
          America NEEDS to reject the alien concept of democracy, this cancer on our Republic. Togey wants democracy, mob rule! Just look at our streets and see the outcome of democracy...mob rule?
          Sam
          No, Bishop Togor wants Socialism, which is inherently anti-democratic. Why do you think he pushes for "gun control?"

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          • clintonhater
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 5220

            #6
            "One man, one vote" is the very definition of mob rule. It's what the Framers considered & rejected, because the consequences--mob rule--were entirely predictable.

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            • rayg
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 7444

              #7
              The Atlantic site is a far left leaning and un American site.....and is always Referenced by our far left left unAmerican folks here...

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              • 98src
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2017
                • 199

                #8
                Originally posted by togor
                Yes it's a problem.

                This David Frum quote captures the issue succinctly:



                No one here will actively dispute this.
                Actually, we don't have a "democracy". We have a republic......thus the electoral college. And I AM disputing this. To be a conservative, it is not necessary to be a Republican . not necessasarilly

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                • togor
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 17610

                  #9
                  Originally posted by clintonhater
                  "One man, one vote" is the very definition of mob rule. It's what the Framers considered & rejected, because the consequences--mob rule--were entirely predictable.
                  CH confirms the Frum quote with his deliberate distortion of the issue.

                  If you believe "one man one vote" is bad, then why do you vote at all? You're only making things worse. More importantly, what is the alternative? Dictatorships do not endure without terrible times.

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                  • Johnny P
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6269

                    #10
                    If Hiden and Heels Up are the answer, we are beyond help. To repeat though, the number one terminal problem plaguing the socialists is that Hillary wasn't elected.

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                    • togor
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 17610

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 98src
                      Actually, we don't have a "democracy". We have a republic......thus the electoral college. And I AM disputing this. To be a conservative, it is not necessary to be a Republican . not necessasarilly
                      The literalists....

                      We have what may be called a representative democracy. The foundation is voting. We have chosen over time to make the connection between voters and some officeholders more direct, such as US Senators.

                      Conservatives loved that in the 1970s and 1980s, when winning elections came easy. Now they want to restrict the ballot and it's reach so as to preserve a grip on power. There is no other word for this besides despotism. The thing people accuse Obama of being, they now openly advocate as the remedy.

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                      • Vern Humphrey
                        Administrator - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 15875

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Johnny P
                        If Hiden and Heels Up are the answer, we are beyond help. To repeat though, the number one terminal problem plaguing the socialists is that Hillary wasn't elected.
                        And it was her turn, too! The Bishop and his gang are just outraged by that!

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                        • togor
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 17610

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                          And it was her turn, too! The Bishop and his gang are just outraged by that!
                          Shouldn't you be fraudulently filling out your multiple absentee ballots?

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                          • Roadkingtrax
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 7835

                            #14
                            Originally posted by togor
                            Shouldn't you be fraudulently filling out your multiple absentee ballots?
                            He's got Vern there.
                            "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                            • blackhawknj
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 3754

                              #15
                              "One man, one vote" came from the various redistricting cases in the 1960s, the Court said the populations of legislative districts had to be as equal as possible. Many New England towns still practice direct democracy-the Town Meeting, e.g. And it was the Progressives in the 1890s who pushed Initiative and Referendum as a way of breaking the power of moneyed interests and a self-serving political class.
                              And as the current uproar over the replacement for RBG shows, for many having an appointed SCOTUS that functions as a constitutional convention every time it is in session is their preferred method of government.

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