The Way I See it Right Now

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  • Art
    Senior Member, Deceased
    • Dec 2009
    • 9256

    #1

    The Way I See it Right Now

    Ok horse race fans we're within sight of the finish line. The way it looks to me.

    First about polls. They have become increasingly unreliable due to problems with collecting information. The traditional methods of land line calls are outdated and if they find a person who will pick up the phone you go into some sort of "he'll pick up the phone" data base. I've been polled twice this season and missed a third call from a pollster. How different demographic groups are "weighted" has an effect as well. All polling services give a weighting advantage to Democrats. Rasmussen, which is conservative based gives a three point weighting advantage to the Dems. Speaking of Rassmussen they are the only poll that still runs a daily rolling presidential job approval survey. Interestingly Trump's favorability rating through this cycle almost exactly tracks Obama's through the same period. Rasmussen also got the popular vote almost dead on in the last election.

    State polls have become notoriously inaccurate. There was a truism that in state polling if the Republican in a presidential race was behind by three points or less in a state race he was probably ahead and if behind by 5 or less he's competitive. Trump blew the lid off that last time by winning several states he was behind in by 6+ points in the final polling.

    One other factor is "shy trump voters" actually exist, and in significant numbers. Those people who are concerned enough about retaliation for wearing a MAGA hat they refuse to be polled or don't give accurate information, or more often than others, simply never answer the phone if they don't recognize the number.

    Also, Rasmussen is the only polling service that only surveys likely voters all the time. Polls of everybody are almost worthless and polls of registered voters aren't that great either.

    So, looking at Rasmussen; Trump in the Wednesday presidential poll last week was behind by 5 points. If he's behind by 5 in two weeks he's probably sunk. His job approval is 48% among likely voters, again with Rasmussen's daily rolling average of likely voters which would tend to mean, assuming everything else is correct, that some people who sort of approve of him also aren't going to vote for him tis time?!?!?!

    The competitive state races in which Trump is behind by three or fewer points and therefore likely to win are Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, Ohio, Iowa and Arizona. If he wins all of those it probably won't be enough. He has to "catch lightening in a bottle" in at least a couple of states where he is considerably behind. One possibility is Minnesota where he came close last time appears solidly ahead in the rural and mining areas of the state and there is also a lot of anxiety in "The Cities" over what amounts to a near collapse of local government and a substantial increase in the crime rate.

    Because of the screwy reporting methods right now don't expect a result until mid November at the earliest or possibly close to Christmas if its really close and both sides unleash their lawyers. One example is a Mayor's race in Patterson New Jersey where the courts have decided the results are so screwed up there had to be a re do on the election.

    With all that in mind it appears to me that the "Rs" will perobably keep the Senate (barely) which is a very big deal.

    Turn out is a very big deal, as always. I voted the other day in my suburban upper middle class Texas "red" district and the line was about 100 yards long. I think that could be an indication that the "Repugs" will turn out in large numbers but even that is nothing more than a SWAG.

    My devalued $.02 worth which along with a few bucks might get you on a subway. I wouldn't be surprised to be wrong about everything I've said here, I have been before.....
    Last edited by Art; 10-18-2020, 07:40.
  • barretcreek
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 6065

    #2
    Thank you, Art.

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    • S.A. Boggs
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 8579

      #3
      Art, as usual, is right on this as most polling can give what the paying organization wants. One question that was "asked" was who will your neighbor most likely vote for? This left the questioned with an easy answer is that Trump was given more then Biden. As more comes out on the Biden crime syndicate more on the left might question who to vote for or just stay home. My wife's Democratic friend is staying home for some reason.
      Sam

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #4
        One wonders about shy Biden voters as well, if someone is in a Trump heavy culture and doesn't want to face wrathful accusations of disloyalty.

        I expect polling place restrictions due to a shortage of workers. Maybe not as bad as spring, but still there will be reports.

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        • Major Tom
          Very Senior Member - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 6181

          #5
          In my predominately Republican town, Trump yard signs are being stolen or defaced. Most folks here do not replace their Trump signs. The few Harris/Biden yard signs are not being molested which is telling, as in democrats are sore losers.

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          • S.A. Boggs
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 8579

            #6
            Originally posted by Major Tom
            In my predominately Republican town, Trump yard signs are being stolen or defaced. Most folks here do not replace their Trump signs. The few Harris/Biden yard signs are not being molested which is telling, as in democrats are sore losers.
            Are they sore losers or just petty criminals as sign stealing is a misdemeanor or possible fall under the category of hate crimes.
            Sam

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            • Art
              Senior Member, Deceased
              • Dec 2009
              • 9256

              #7
              Originally posted by togor
              One wonders about shy Biden voters as well, if someone is in a Trump heavy culture and doesn't want to face wrathful accusations of disloyalty.
              Examples please.

              The Democrat party, the press and the pollsters all agree that the reluctance of Trump voters to speak to pollsters has altered their results and they're trying to compensate. On a trip through East Texas last week I passed a place in the big city of Kountz that had Biden and Hegar signs all over it. That old boy (or girl) didn't seem real concerned about retaliation in that sea of Trumpkins.

              Several Dems including Biden's best Senate bud Chris Coons has said that the race is much closer than the polls indicate and they can't let up. They still think Trump can pull it out. I think the odds against Trump are pretty good but the Dems are only cautiously optimistic, officially anyhow. I think that's partly due to fear of sounding too confident and having way too many Dem voters think its in the bag and not show up.
              Last edited by Art; 10-19-2020, 05:53.

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #8
                Art I just said one wonders.... that's hardly intended as a firm claim. If someone searches on "former Trump voter" they get hits, but these would be people who aren't being shy about it. The whole point of being shy is to evade detection right?

                Women in some places might be shy, or veterans who have had enough. If someone is in a place that the Trump Tribe considers it's territory (like here), then shyness might be a good plan as Trumpists as a rule don't take no mess!!

                I am not shy in my negative assessment of the current officeholder, the squatter, to use Bruce's term for it.


                Added: 100% agreement that both campaigns are in the "closer than it appears" phase of messaging. Gotta think that the electorate is way ahead of them on both sides this time.
                Last edited by togor; 10-19-2020, 06:10.

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                • Vern Humphrey
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 15875

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Major Tom
                  In my predominately Republican town, Trump yard signs are being stolen or defaced. Most folks here do not replace their Trump signs. The few Harris/Biden yard signs are not being molested which is telling, as in democrats are sore losers.
                  Like the smallest sailor in the Pacific Fleet Drop the Soap Contest.

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                  • S.A. Boggs
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 8579

                    #10
                    It is not going to be close unless one counts the dead voting. From observations from across the Republic [rallies] I see Trump being President for another 4 years. Biden has a hard time getting people to equal the reporters who go with him.
                    Sam

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