Black guy with knife shot by police and 30 officers injured by protesters

[lyman]

Society can’t continue to defund psychiatric services and to pass these services onto law enforcement (Rochester and here) and not expect similar outcomes. I really don’t care about some Mickey Mouse training program!

oscars,

that program or lack of is nationwide, (as I am sure you know)

I'll admit the sanitariums etc etc were not the way to go, but there has to be some middle ground for these folks

[bruce]

Re: Training, sanatariums, middle ground. Sanatariums were not the be all to end all. In some treatment was extreme, even criminal. Sanatariums were at least a place where deeply troubled persons could be sent for help that was unavailable elsewhere. The great call to cut taxes, expense, etc., saw all mental health services sliced to the bone and then eliminated as much as possible from budgets at all levels. The explosion of jail and prison populations nation wide are the result as law enforcement is tasked to deal with the consequences of cutting mental health services. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[lyman]

Re: Training, sanatariums, middle ground. Sanatariums were not the be all to end all. In some treatment was extreme, even criminal. Sanatariums were at least a place where deeply troubled persons could be sent for help that was unavailable elsewhere. The great call to cut taxes, expense, etc., saw all mental health services sliced to the bone and then eliminated as much as possible from budgets at all levels. The explosion of jail and prison populations nation wide are the result as law enforcement is tasked to deal with the consequences of cutting mental health services. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

agreed,

and the over use, in some cases, of group homes and half way houses,


not sure we will ever fix the problems tho

[Vern Humphrey]

Re: Training, sanatariums, middle ground. Sanatariums were not the be all to end all. In some treatment was extreme, even criminal. Sanatariums were at least a place where deeply troubled persons could be sent for help that was unavailable elsewhere. The great call to cut taxes, expense, etc., saw all mental health services sliced to the bone and then eliminated as much as possible from budgets at all levels. The explosion of jail and prison populations nation wide are the result as law enforcement is tasked to deal with the consequences of cutting mental health services. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

The MAJOR problem was abuse of people in sanitariums. Look up "Titicut Follies." These sanitariums were a national disgrace.

And we have to remember, in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, sanitariums were used to incarcerate political opponents -- even in the US, a person sent to a sanitarium was not entitled to a trial or a lawyer.

[Gun Smoke]

Whatever happened to family's taking care of family and being responsible for them?

It shouldn't be the taxpayers problem for every mentally disturbed person that is brought into this world.

[Vern Humphrey]

Whatever happened to family's taking care of family and being responsible for them?

It shouldn't be the taxpayers problem for every mentally disturbed person that is brought into this world.

Saint Paul would agree with you.

But there are some people who have no families, and others whom the family cannot help.

[Gun Smoke]

Saint Paul would agree with you.

But there are some people who have no families, and others whom the family cannot help.

True. I meant on a "whole".

I remember when I was young family's took care of their own mentally and physically handicapped members and wanted to.

Now days they are picked up at home in a special needs handicapped equiped bus and transported for institutional care.

Our socialist society we have now makes it all too easy to kick back and do nothing while putting the burden on someone else.

[lyman]

True. I meant on a "whole".

I remember when I was young family's took care of their own mentally and physically handicapped members and wanted to.

Now days they are picked up at home in a special needs handicapped equiped bus and transported for institutional care.

Our socialist society we have now makes it all too easy to kick back and do nothing while putting the burden on someone else.

I have a mental health group home in my neighborhood,

the patients are kept indoors during the evening, put on a van in the morning to go to adult day care, then back in the van to the home,

they never come outside

[Vern Humphrey]

True. I meant on a "whole".

I remember when I was young family's took care of their own mentally and physically handicapped members and wanted to.

Now days they are picked up at home in a special needs handicapped equiped bus and transported for institutional care.

Our socialist society we have now makes it all too easy to kick back and do nothing while putting the burden on someone else.

All too true. Most of the evils that afflict us, from families not taking care of their own, to out-of-wedlock pregnancies, to vast hordes on welfare were all created by the government.