California had a chance

[PWC]

37% of CA voted for Trump, mostly from northern CA. Now, suppose that all the people that fled that state, had stayed long enough until after the election, could they have made a difference? Imagine CA putting Trump over the goal line?

Oregon is in revolt now not in open revolt, but in revolt nevertheless. Agrarian Oregon is in revolt against Portland and Eugene control because of population density. Political Oregon is a perfect example of why the electorial college is needed. I believe the Federalist Papers #68, written by our founding fathers, explains this.

[lyman]

maybe the west coast is not lost afterall

[togor]

As long as the GOP denies climate change, the West Coast grows further out of reach. Worst fire season on record, until maybe 2021.

[PWC]

As long as the GOP denies climate change, the West Coast grows further out of reach. Worst fire season on record, until maybe 2021.

WHAT!? The liberal tree huggers shut down the logging which kept forests free of the under brush and debris that propigate forest fires. The logging industry replenished the renewable resource thru reforestation to ensire there would be forests to protect homes from the mudslides of denuded hillsodes.
They also locked down the forests by enacting laws and putting concrete barriers across roads and trails to keep people out of the forests that "are for animals". While the media was blaming lightining for the fires, the locals knew there were no weather phenomenon, they were being set, man made. The fires in Oregon followed I-5. The news in Oregon did not broadcast the Portland rioting, at least not to the south and east parts of the state. All the way back into the 60s, CA fires were being set by unemployed forest workers because they were the first to be called to fight those fires.

Liberal state and local government by Socialist Democrats are responsible for the condition of the state of CA.

Besides, how did you get to forest fires? Another attempt at misdirection or changing the subject.

[lyman]

WHAT!? The liberal tree huggers shut down the logging which kept forests free of the under brush and debris that propigate forest fires. The logging industry replenished the renewable resource thru reforestation to ensire there would be forests to protect homes from the mudslides of denuded hillsodes.
They also locked down the forests by enacting laws and putting concrete barriers across roads and trails to keep people out of the forests that "are for animals". While the media was blaming lightining for the fires, the locals knew there were no weather phenomenon, they were being set, man made. The fires in Oregon followed I-5. The news in Oregon did not broadcast the Portland rioting, at least not to the south and east parts of the state. All the way back into the 60s, CA fires were being set by unemployed forest workers because they were the first to be called to fight those fires.

Liberal state and local government by Socialist Democrats are responsible for the condition of the state of CA.

he fails to realize that the fires are because of Cali regulations, and poor government,

since that government is most if not all D's and D's cannot do wrong,

so it must be ** hurr durr** climate change,


cow farts, etc

[togor]

Fuel is just part of it. Drought, extreme weather play huge roles in fire behavior. People who do prescribed burning know that, as do the fire fighters of these wildlands blazes and the people being evacuated.

[lyman]

I don't think Cali allows prescribed burning, nor to they allow for to much if any brush removal, (habitat etc)


their own policies are causing a lot of the issues,


and guess what, weather is cyclical

[togor]

Climate change denial is for armchair internet jocks with no policy responsibilities.

In the real world of insurance, disaster planning, agriculture, it's a subject of considerable interest. An increasing factor in western life, the climate change denial party is at a disadvantage, because denial is viewed as insulting the intelligence of the voters.

Cue CH claiming that climate change talk is the real insult.

[dogtag]

Arson has been the cause of many California fires for years.
What with that plus uncleared brush and stupid politicians,
the fires will continue. This past year there was a fire raging
twenty miles from me, truly frightening as these fires can
move at forty miles an hour with a helping wind. Luckily
it moved the opposite away into unoccupied area.

[PWC]

Togor - yup, you successfully managed to redirect the original question for discussion of the conseratives on the NW fighting for fair representation against the Socialist Democratic machine, to forestry management. I'd say that was slick, but the word slimy comes to mind.

[lyman]

Climate change denial is for armchair internet jocks with no policy responsibilities.

In the real world of insurance, disaster planning, agriculture, it's a subject of considerable interest. An increasing factor in western life, the climate change denial party is at a disadvantage, because denial is viewed as insulting the intelligence of the voters.

Cue CH claiming that climate change talk is the real insult.

where is Sam's meme about saying something stupid,

and read PWC's comments,


BTW,,


I asked you a long time ago to tell me where the $$ went that are supposed to buy Carbon Credits,,

guessing you should know if Mother Nature has a bank account?



you should maybe get out of that liberal area you live in (what college or uni do you have a basement office in?) and meet the people you talk so much crap about

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Togor - yup, you successfully managed to redirect the original question for discussion of the conseratives on the NW fighting for fair representation against the Socialist Democratic machine, to forestry management. I'd say that was slick, but the word slimy comes to mind.

BTW PWC, forestry management is his 16th or 17th degree,


he is an expert in almost everything,


just ask him

[togor]

37% of CA voted for Trump, mostly from northern CA. Now, suppose that all the people that fled that state, had stayed long enough until after the election, could they have made a difference? Imagine CA putting Trump over the goal line?

Oregon is in revolt now not in open revolt, but in revolt nevertheless. Agrarian Oregon is in revolt against Portland and Eugene control because of population density. Political Oregon is a perfect example of why the electorial college is needed. I believe the Federalist Papers #68, written by our founding fathers, explains this.

Should be easy to check the population decline of CA against the vote deficit and get your answer.

But I hear that Cali expats who land elsewhere in the west tend to make the new places a bit bluer.

So simple guess is.... almost definitely not.

If not mistaken the US rural population was actually higher in absolute terms in 1900 than 2000. Big families not needed to provide farm labor anymore. Machines took over the dull and dangerous work. Excess population moves to cities. One wonders how much of the modern world the founders could imagine. Their world was lit by fire and powered by man or beast.

[PWC]

Togor - "cali expats"....I think they refer to themselves as refugees from a Socialist Democrat run state.

"If not mistaken.....powered by man or beast", finally, a well reasoned statement.

[lyman]

cali expats have turned states blue, look at texas (yep,, texas) and Colorado, as well as NM and AZ

just like the yankees moving south,

they look for a better cost of living, then change it to be as bad as what they left

[Johnny P]

100 years of mismanagement of underbrush growth and a downed power line, flicked cigarette, or abandoned campfire. I know several linemen that quit their jobs here to spend the next two or three years in California rebuilding power lines which was a cause of major fires if the lines fell or trees fell into them. Even an 8/13.8 KV electrical distribution line gone to ground makes a spectacular electrical fire, much less HV or EHV transmission lines.

But, much easier to blame Trump. Amazing that all this happened in four short years.