Like I Said.....

[Art]

https://www.city-journal.org/latino-voters-surprised-progressive-observers-on-nov-3

A very large segment of the Latino vote is there for the taking by the Repubs if they'll just be smart about it. The best examples of how to court Hispanics are Texas and Florida, again, if the Republicans are smart enough and paying attention which is not a sure thing.

[Roadkingtrax]

Tejanos are usually closer ideologically to rust belt blue collar white Americans.

It would be wrong to compartmentalize them into "Latino" votes.

[Art]

Tejanos are usually closer ideologically to rust belt blue collar white Americans.

It would be wrong to compartmentalize them into "Latino" votes.

you're missing the point, I think. The point is you can't compartmentalize them which is what the Dems have been trying to do. There are things they have in common though, traditional family values, a strong work ethic and entrepreneurial spirit, and, in many cases they know what there ancestral country is and they aren't interested in going back to that. Probably the most Democrat leaning group is Puerto Ricans, the most Republican leaning groups are Cubans and northern South Americans. Chicanos (Americans of Mexican heritage) have tented to lean Democrat but over the past couple of elections that tendency has been diminishing.

I know lots of Mexicans and Chicanos, and lots of white people of Northern European from rust belt backgrounds and culturally they are actually pretty different. A rust belt white American is much more likely to want to be an employee as opposed to a Chicano who is more likely to aspire to be an employer.

[Roadkingtrax]

You've missed my point.

Right now, people are pitchng a fit over a mask, try convincing a group of white folks in the upper midwest that Mexican-Americans and other Latinos have a larger stake in this country than they do. The GOP has lots of hurdles, and the 2016 rhetoric set them back. Xenophobia is a monkey they need to shake sooner, rather than later.

As long as we're generalizing, this voting group also often go for the false strongman machismo so pervasive in the male dominate Latin cultures. I think we've had just about enough populist nationalism for a spell.

[Art]

I don't think the average white American in the Midwest spends a lot of time thinking about who has a bigger stake in the country when it comes to Latinos.

When they vote for Republicans its because Republicans are perceived to share their values meet their needs, not because of that Machismo/Caudillismo train of thought. I wouldn't say that's irrelevant but it is a lot of what they came here to escape. I hardly think that George W. Bush who got more of the Latino vote than any Republican nationwide (40%) in history did it because he came across has some sort of South American strong man.

By the way, Democrats attributing the turnout of Latinos for Republicans this time to "Stockholm Syndrome," or latent racism helps their cause much.

I don't think Joe Biden patronizing Latinos by playing "Despacio" an explicitly erotic club song at an Hispanic centered event, helps the Dem cause a lot.

[clintonhater]

...we've had just about enough populist nationalism for a spell.

We? How many millions just proved they thought otherwise?

[togor]

Residents of Detroit, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Atlanta, feel like they're getting a refresher course in GOP latent racism and voter suppression. Texas has its own issues as well in that department.

[Art]

Residents of Detroit, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Atlanta, feel like they're getting a refresher course in GOP latent racism and voter suppression. Texas has its own issues as well in that department.

Gee, I thought there was record turnout in all of those states. I must have missed something. In fact Trump took enough votes to have won any election in history except this one and still lost, sounds like a lot of Dems turned out for this one to me.

[Roadkingtrax]

We? How many millions just proved they thought otherwise?

Not enough. Keep trying little buddy.

[Sandpebble]

Gee, I thought there was record turnout in all of those states. I must have missed something. In fact Trump took enough votes to have won any election in history except this one and still lost, sounds like a lot of Dems turned out for this one to me.

Thats right ... imagine if he'd tried to unite the American people instead of divide ..... he could have won us all..... but he didn't and he lost.;

[togor]

Gee, I thought there was record turnout in all of those states. I must have missed something. In fact Trump took enough votes to have won any election in history except this one and still lost, sounds like a lot of Dems turned out for this one to me.

And the campaign trying to get those votes thrown out, yes? Yes. That's what the folks of those cities are talking about. IIRC you spent some time in the Motor City. You know that what the campaign is doing neither surprises or amuses them.

[Art]

And the campaign trying to get those votes thrown out, yes? Yes. That's what the folks of those cities are talking about. IIRC you spent some time in the Motor City. You know that what the campaign is doing neither surprises or amuses them.

"C'mon man," you know nothing's going to change the outcome of this, the margin of victory is too great. The real artists at pulling victory from the jaws of defeat after the fact are Democrats. If it was anybody except Trump, who will be the Republicans Stacy Abrams, this would be over right now. Like Abrams Trump will lose but not concede. Same difference though.

Interestingly, this is the first election I can recall where the winner may have no "coat tails" whatsoever.

[togor]

You're equating Trump's actions with Abrams? In a literal sense or figurative?

One of Abrams complaints about the 2018 Georgia Governor's election was that Kemp, her opponent and also the secretary of state, reduced the number of polling places in predominantly black areas. It's a fair reading to say that Kemp used his current job in 2018 to up his odds at getting the next one.

Abrams didn't like the outcome but what did she do? Got busy doing the hard work of organizing, registering. That is, she stayed inside the lines, respected the game, even in Georgia where there is a documented history. Biden's triumph in Georgia is also hers. Read her bio. Nothing to disrespect there.

What's Trump doing? Attacking the game itself, trying to bring it down, because he wants power.

These are not close to being the same thing.

However much one might love Trump's tax or immigration policies, his baseless attacks on elections themselves, which he does not even try to prove as fact, should arouse unrestrained wrath in any principled conservative.

Added: this is within the lifetime of many here, how it was in Georgia.

https://www.crmvet.org/info/gavr_training.pdf

[lyman]

Residents of Detroit, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Atlanta, feel like they're getting a refresher course in GOP latent racism and voter suppression. Texas has its own issues as well in that department.

and yet the vote for a known racist that has been a racist for the past 47 yrs, and has a track record to prove it,


fact is a lot of D's vote D regardless,



re the hispanics,

when I was in the grocery biz, if you had hispanics shopping with you, that was good,

they shop for value, good service, fresh produce, and a good selection of meats, as well as the normal hispanic ethnic type foods,

I don't remember the numbers but having a good size hispanic customer base was very good for business,



funny thing is , reading your post, and some of what RKT posted, y'all speak the party line, as in exactly what the D's have been saying (and not exactly truthfully) and what that MSM has been pushing,


I think what Art is saying is probably closer to the truth on some things (demographically)

[lyman]

You've missed my point.

Right now, people are pitchng a fit over a mask, try convincing a group of white folks in the upper midwest that Mexican-Americans and other Latinos have a larger stake in this country than they do. The GOP has lots of hurdles, and the 2016 rhetoric set them back. Xenophobia is a monkey they need to shake sooner, rather than later.

As long as we're generalizing, this voting group also often go for the false strongman machismo so pervasive in the male dominate Latin cultures. I think we've had just about enough populist nationalism for a spell.

the Xeno Monkey was blown out of proportion by the left early one, and then repeated over and over,