Why should ex Presidents get intelligence briefings ? ...

[lyman]

Lyman, you and togor are the two main culprits who change the direction of threads.
If you enjoy arguing with each other then open your own argue thread.

threads always change direction,


the rest,,, will have an outcome,,

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DT if not mistaken we are staying on topic, and aren't you done with the thread anyways?


Anyways, Lyman, I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture here, with regards to ex-Presidents and security and entrapment. They walk out of that building (the White House) with a lot in their heads. It stands to reason besides personal security, their electronic world, transactions, etc., are under surveillance. They are a person of interest to foreign governments, hence US national security demands that our government keep an eye on them as well. Easy sell to any FISA court.

So say Trump decided to sell or donate (in exchange for future considerations) some of what he knows to the Israelis or the Saudis, and the US government starts to get wind of that. Would it be entrapment to give him a briefing, but add a tracer message in there (something like "Midway desalination plant is busted") to see if that message pops up elsewhere? Is that entrapment or tradecraft?

Entrapment is encouraging someone to commit an illegal act, facilitating it, then charging them for the commission afterwards. Trump spilling beans on intel given him in the context as ex-President, is not entrapment. All they have to do to guarantee that is put in a slide saying "Shh! This stuff is secret! Remember not to tell anyone!" If they gin up a message that is extra juicy, to see what he does with it, that is still not entrapment.

I'm seeing a guy saying he is ok with Entrapment,,,,

[togor]

I'm seeing a guy saying he is ok with Entrapment,,,,

I'm seeing a guy who doesn't understand the situation Trump is in as an ex-Pres. Hopefully his own lawyers are on the ball.

Nonetheless I am impressed by your devotion to him, exonerating him even before the crime.

[lyman]

I'm seeing a guy who doesn't understand the situation Trump is in as an ex-Pres. Hopefully his own lawyers are on the ball.

Nonetheless I am impressed by your devotion to him, exonerating him even before the crime.

change the subject all you want,

but you have shown that you are willing to break the law to see a former president or his cronies go to jail,


your words,,


Entrapment is encouraging someone to commit an illegal act, facilitating it, then charging them for the commission afterwards.




strange world you live in,


esp since there is this pesky thing called Due Process, ,


that means that basically we are all innocent, (supposedly) until proven guilty,


if Trump is guilty of something,, then by all means prosecute,, but so far after over 4 yrs,, nothing has stuck

and yet you and yours are still flinging poo,,,,

this part,,

Nonetheless I am impressed by your devotion to him, exonerating him even before the crime.


that's deflection,,,

[togor]

Lyman is 'entrapment' the same thing as 'giving a person enough rope to hang themselves'? Different? Explain how! Because I am certain you approve of the latter practice even as accuse me of endorsing the former.

If Trump spills secrets, he alone bears the responsibility. The secrets in that case, be they real, fabricated, juicy, dull, are the rope. Disclosing those secrets is Trump metaphorically hanging himself.

[rayg]

Entrapment happens when police officers coerce or induce someone into committing a crime. In other words the person had no intent to commit the crime initially..

[lyman]

you already have the man tried, convicted, and punished,

yet you fail to see that,

your reasoning to give someone false info and then pounce would likely not hold up in court,

and if you were honest with your self, that same thing could be applied to each and every past administration,,, as well as the current one,


by your standards, if the cousin of a brother of the mailman that delivered the info's wife made and investment, and profited, even if at random, the Trump is surely guilty,


you live in a sad world,,,

[togor]

I have Trump already guilty of sharing intel? Don't be ridiculous.

There's plenty that he IS guilty of to set his place in history. I have no desire to see him debase the country further by any participation in national life. Which is to say, don't give him any more rope, unless he IS determined to metaphorically hang himself but good, in which case, give him all he wants!

[m1ashooter]

I used to have a Top Secret SCI and Top Secret SIOP ESI clearances. I once was a nuclear weapons guy. When I left a job or when I left the USAF my access to any kind of material was removed because I didn't have a need to know. In my opinion former Presidents and other former officials are just that, former. They don't have a need to know as they aren't in a position to make decisions any longer so I believe they shouldn't get intel briefs.