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  • JB White
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 13371

    #1

    Bidens gun control speech

    No backlash???

    What if I said I can agree with most of it but foresee a few upcoming dangers? Would that do the trick?
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  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #2
    What did he say?

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    • M1Tommy
      Very Senior Member - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 1027

      #3
      Here you go; see the link below.
      It is good for comic relief. He tells the Justice Dept. to write new rules and regs.

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...alth-epidemic/

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      • barretcreek
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2013
        • 6065

        #4
        'Red Flag' laws are a serious danger to due process. Our sheriff, a 'D' has flat out stated he will take a long hard look at any RF request without a lot of supporting information.

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #5
          What in the name of Holy Gilhoolie are "common sense gun laws?"

          Other than the Second Amendment, I mean.

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          • M1Tommy
            Very Senior Member - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 1027

            #6
            Mr. Humphrey, We know that answer, as the question is asked by those who find the Constitution (which includes Amendments of course) too constricting and want wiggle room to rule as they see fit.

            Tommy

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            • Vern Humphrey
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #7
              Originally posted by M1Tommy
              Mr. Humphrey, We know that answer, as the question is asked by those who find the Constitution (which includes Amendments of course) too constricting and want wiggle room to rule as they see fit.

              Tommy
              It strikes me they want to throw the Constitution out and rule by decree. Even Henry VIII couldn't do that!

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              • Vern Humphrey
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 15875

                #8
                Originally posted by M1Tommy
                Mr. Humphrey, We know that answer, as the question is asked by those who find the Constitution (which includes Amendments of course) too constricting and want wiggle room to rule as they see fit.

                Tommy
                It strikes me they want to throw the Constitution out and rule by decree. Even Henry VIII couldn't do that!

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                • M1Tommy
                  Very Senior Member - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 1027

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                  It strikes me they want to throw the Constitution out and rule by decree. Even Henry VIII couldn't do that!
                  I suspect they get that old dictators' adrenaline rush, fueled by the "news reports" of each "crisis", particularly the ones that might advance their goals.......... Lawful proceedings are just......... so dry and boring you know!
                  Also, Biden's handlers know full well that campaigning will be in full swing in less than a year. After the '22 elections, he will likely face an openly hostile Congress, and possibly a hostile-minded judicial branch as well.

                  Tommy
                  Tommy

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                  • jjrothWA
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1148

                    #10
                    What have you expected from a CLOWN, that hasn't done a thing since being elected in the 70's!

                    Did his master BHO do anything to CLEAN_UP the Chicagp KILLING FIELDS?

                    Has the ATFE done anything in the same area to STEM the violence. Maybe his new director {with twenty-five years work experience in the ATFE" MIGHT try something new and get BETTER results, or will he try the "fast &Furious" gunning trick to eliminate the 2nd Amendment??

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                    • JB White
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 13371

                      #11
                      Originally posted by togor
                      What did he say?
                      Lemme see if I can remember.

                      He started by demanding serial numbers and dealer transfers for kit guns (ghost guns)
                      Accessories such as braces for handguns to be covered under NFA regs. Sounds as though drum mags will go that way too.
                      Red Flag laws under a federal template as he calls it. But, he emphasized under court order only. Still, its a tool of personal vengeance in many cases. That is one which could hurt more people than it would help.
                      Extend the time period for NICS.
                      End transfers at gun shows unless it goes through an FFL.

                      Off the top that's what I recall. He did promise much more later but the AG is looking for ways to legally side step the 2A. To paraphrase he said to the effect: Times change, problems change, and the laws need to be changed accordingly.
                      He cited the urban shootings as another pandemic.
                      Its tough to fault him on his words. Its the twist towards the ultimate goal that's scary.
                      Crime control is their battle cry towards eliminating private ownership of firearms.

                      As an aside, Harris made her typical la-dee-da opening act to start the show. Why not dress her like a Las Vegas showgirl and get it over with already. I'm sick of hearing her and seeing her fake Hollywood smile.
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                      • togor
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 17610

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JB White
                        Lemme see if I can remember.

                        He started by demanding serial numbers and dealer transfers for kit guns (ghost guns)
                        Accessories such as braces for handguns to be covered under NFA regs. Sounds as though drum mags will go that way too.
                        Red Flag laws under a federal template as he calls it. But, he emphasized under court order only. Still, its a tool of personal vengeance in many cases. That is one which could hurt more people than it would help.
                        Extend the time period for NICS.
                        End transfers at gun shows unless it goes through an FFL.

                        Off the top that's what I recall. He did promise much more later but the AG is looking for ways to legally side step the 2A. To paraphrase he said to the effect: Times change, problems change, and the laws need to be changed accordingly.
                        He cited the urban shootings as another pandemic.
                        Its tough to fault him on his words. Its the twist towards the ultimate goal that's scary.
                        Crime control is their battle cry towards eliminating private ownership of firearms.

                        As an aside, Harris made her typical la-dee-da opening act to start the show. Why not dress her like a Las Vegas showgirl and get it over with already. I'm sick of hearing her and seeing her fake Hollywood smile.
                        Funny you should mention Hollywood....when it comes to glorifying firearms in general and their illegal use in particular, nobody beats Hollywood. Not the rappers, or the gamers. The bad guys on the screen are still going full auto with modern equipment, whereas in the real world that doesn't happen. The John Wick movies are a great example. In real life the character is long dead or stone deaf or crazy with tinnitus. But those are popular and entertaining movies.

                        Been thinking about the argument often heard after one of these mass shootings, "blame the person, not the gun". What that sounds like to me is, regulate people, not guns. That is, don't ban guns or mags of type X, Y, or Z, but rather regulate the access that people have to them. But of course that runs up against the argument that "new rules only affect law abiding people, not criminals". So it's fair to say that gun owners themselves have not reached consensus on a way forward.
                        Last edited by togor; 04-10-2021, 01:14.

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                        • lyman
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 11269

                          #13
                          his speech, in typical biden speech, said nothing,


                          time will tell if they actually circle back to get anything done

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                          • Vern Humphrey
                            Administrator - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 15875

                            #14
                            VIOLENT CRIME CONTROL



                            The Right to Bear Arms is a Civil Right. It is as much a civil right as the right to vote or the right to trial by jury. Attempts to infringe on this right damage ALL our rights, since the methods used to undermine the 2nd Amendment can be used against all other Amendments.

                            Further, the bearing of arms by responsible citizens is not the problem ? in fact, in state after state, liberalized concealed carry laws have resulted in reduced violent crime. The right to bear arms is therefore a solution, not a problem.

                            That said, we must recognize that some people will use weapons for criminal purposes. This paper sets forth a concept for reasonable violent crime control, based on three principles:

                            ? Targeting. The purpose of crime control is to prevent violence. Violent acts are committed by only a small fraction of the population. The biggest payoff therefore comes in targeting anti-violence legislation on those who commit violent acts, not on applying broad-brush restrictions to everyone.

                            ? Incapacitation. Experience has shown that incapacitation (through incarceration) reduces the number of crimes committed by violent felons over their criminal careers.

                            ? Enforcement. Many attempts at controlling violence have failed in the past due to lack of enforcement. There are many reasons for this, from simple non-feasance of officials to structural defects that reward non-enforcement.

                            We target the violent criminal through two laws;

                            1. Possession of a firearm in the commission of a violent crime.

                            2. Possession of a firearm by a previously convicted violent criminal

                            We must carefully word these laws to ensure we don?t target the wrong people ? we?re not after kids who hunt squirrels out of season. We do this by making the gun crime dependent on another crime ? a violent crime, such as murder, armed robbery, rape, and so on.

                            We incapacitate the violent criminal through mandatory sentencing. Although politically incorrect, mandatory sentencing is proven to work in incapacitating criminals. In this case the sentence is 10 years, mandatory, and consecutive with any other sentence. And additional 10 years, mandatory, and consecutive, is added for each subsequent offense.

                            A holdup of a local 7-11, for example, would net the criminal 5 years on the state, and he would typically serve two. But before being released, he would serve an additional 10 years for using a firearm in a violent crime.

                            If he did it again after release, this time he would get 20 years for use of a firearm in a violent crime, second offense, and 10 years for possession of a firearm by a previously-convicted violent criminal, for a total of 30 years. A third stickup would net fifty years.

                            We get enforcement by reserving prosecution of these crimes to a specialized office in the Justice Department. They would prosecute ONLY these two crimes. If they fail to prosecute, they go out of business. If they prosecute vigorously, they will build up a backlog of work, and according to the natural law that governs bureaucracies, will get more funding, more personnel, and more promotions.

                            They cannot plea bargain away anything ? because they have no jurisdiction over any other crimes and nothing to gain from a plea bargain. They cannot be persuaded not to prosecute, because that would go against their interests.

                            They can be counted on to be vigilant of crimes committed in the various states, because state prosecution for the basic crime will facilitate federal prosecution of the firearms charges.

                            And finally, they can be given jurisdiction over one other crime ? accessory to the first two crimes ? so they can prosecute local officials who, knowing of crimes that fall under their jurisdiction, fail to inform them. Any police officer or prosecuting attorney who knows of, or who reasonably should know of a violation of these two laws, and who fails to charge the suspect, or forward charges for prosecution, shall receive the same penalty as the criminal.

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                            • lyman
                              Administrator - OFC
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 11269

                              #15
                              Originally posted by togor
                              Funny you should mention Hollywood....when it comes to glorifying firearms in general and their illegal use in particular, nobody beats Hollywood. Not the rappers, or the gamers. The bad guys on the screen are still going full auto with modern equipment, whereas in the real world that doesn't happen. The John Wick movies are a great example. In real life the character is long dead or stone deaf or crazy with tinnitus. But those are popular and entertaining movies.

                              Been thinking about the argument often heard after one of these mass shootings, "blame the person, not the gun". What that sounds like to me is, regulate people, not guns. That is, don't ban guns or mags of type X, Y, or Z, but rather regulate the access that people have to them. But of course that runs up against the argument that "new rules only affect law abiding people, not criminals". So it's fair to say that gun owners themselves have not reached consensus on a way forward.
                              you have (yet again) shown the fallacy of Liberal Logic, and Circled back to ban the gun,


                              Blame the person, not the gun is just that, blame the person that kilt others, not the tool used,

                              so, the correct response is why did that person do what they did, and what can we do to prevent it in the future, , (better mental health, more cohesive family structures, etc maybe)
                              so, since Mass Shootings have been a thing since damn near forever, and there have already been attempts to ban and regulate,, that have not worked,

                              also, use the litmus test,

                              if I ban/regulate this,, would it have stopped what happened?


                              name one proposed rule or regulation proposed that would have prevented any past crime,


                              hint,, there were AR pistols long before braces,,

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