The Dynamics of Red Flag Laws

[togor]

With such laws, the up-front concern is for those who have their firearms taken away, who haven't done anything to deserve that. This is a fair concern.

https://apnews.com/article/general-news-bdff730abd53eea5a400e8fe92b6935e

But there is the flip side, that will work on officials over time, when they have to explain why they didn't use a red flag law when signs were there, and someone turns out to be a bad bet to keep their guns. That kind of outcome has a way of moving the needle when the next time happens.

[barretcreek]

Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent go to prison.

Like a lot of other insane stuff, 'red flag' laws are driven by college degreed (not educated) white females of both biological sexes. Let me post a link to something similar.

https://twitter.com/KayHymowitz/status/1388943536377192449

These are the same personalities driving all this 'stop the world' crap. RF laws are the current version of the Salem witchcraft trials and not much different from what goes on with our Arab cousins when they publicly murder a woman for dressing immodestly.

[Vern Humphrey]

Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent go to prison.

Like a lot of other insane stuff, 'red flag' laws are driven by college degreed (not educated) white females of both biological sexes. Let me post a link to something similar.

Basically, red flag laws are based on the idea it is better to punish people for crimes they have never committed than it is for law enforcement to do its job.

[lyman]

red flag is a way for a family member or neighbor to report someone ,

supposed to be investigated and move on, do something or make a note,,
with supposed ways to prevent false reports etc etc


red flags generally start at the local or state level,

once the feds get wind, and pass as they have in the recent past, is shows the subjectiveness of the investigation and results, and becomes meaningless,




honestly, the Feds have done a great job of setting the example of how red flag laws are pointless

[S.A. Boggs]

M.I. people who have homicidal/suicidal ideations need to be physically secured in a treatment facility until the ideation's pass...which can take some time. The problem that society has is two fold: Payment for the individual which can reach $500 per day or more and the mere taking of someone off of the streets. Many times we had to call law enforcement to secure the individual as the individual did not want to go along peacefully. Would anyone want to to go to a facility with no idea of how long one can be there? I have never seen a judge go against the advice of medical in a petition to release, quite the reverse.
It is easier to take away a thing then to lock up the ill and much cheaper for society.
Sam

[barretcreek]

Cheaper and easier does not equal 'works'.

[togor]

Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent go to prison.

Like a lot of other insane stuff, 'red flag' laws are driven by college degreed (not educated) white females of both biological sexes. Let me post a link to something similar.

https://twitter.com/KayHymowitz/status/1388943536377192449

These are the same personalities driving all this 'stop the world' crap. RF laws are the current version of the Salem witchcraft trials and not much different from what goes on with our Arab cousins when they publicly murder a woman for dressing immodestly.

I remember posting about some state not so long ago (Florida? Seems like a lot of the crazy laws happen there) where the students were in a position to basically run the show, from the right.

Anyhoo, from an administrative point of view, putting someone's gun's in hock on a red flag action isn't the same as locking a person up. Remember the "war on drugs" seizure laws? If you were driving cross country to a classic car show or flea market (gun show?) anything that involved cash sales, and you were pulled over in the wrong district, your cash was forfeit, and according to the law (then), the "Constitution didn't apply to people's stuff". The needle has moved back towards sanity on that one somewhat, but I could still see public pressure to apply red flag laws more generously, especially if what Ray says is true and violent crime stays up.

[rayg]

I remember posting about some state not so long ago (Florida? Seems like a lot of the crazy laws happen there) where the students were in a position to basically run the show, from the right.

Anyhoo, from an administrative point of view, putting someone's gun's in hock on a red flag action isn't the same as locking a person up. Remember the "war on drugs" seizure laws? If you were driving cross country to a classic car show or flea market (gun show?) anything that involved cash sales, and you were pulled over in the wrong district, your cash was forfeit, and according to the law (then), the "Constitution didn't apply to people's stuff". The needle has moved back towards sanity on that one somewhat, but I could still see public pressure to apply red flag laws more generously, especially if what Ray says is true and violent crime stays up.

First the crazy laws that happen in Fl, which are hated by you and a lot of other Dems are just common sense laws to help insure honest voting.. What don't you like about it? Please explain it here..

[togor]

First the crazy laws that happen in Fl, which are hated by you and a lot of other Dems are just common sense laws to help insure honest voting.. What don't you like about it? Please explain it here..

If you want to start a crazy Florida law thread go ahead. Trying to keep this somewhat a red flag thread.

[rayg]

Hold on!! You started the thread!! by saying "I remember posting about some state not so long ago (Florida) Seems like a lot of the crazy laws happen there where the students were in a position to basically run the show, from the right".

And I replied to your post by saying. "What don't you like about it? And please "explain" it here.. And I'm still waiting for your reply". So it's up to you to explain what's crazy about the laws!

[togor]

Hold on!! You started the thread!! by saying "I remember posting about some state not so long ago (Florida) Seems like a lot of the crazy laws happen there where the students were in a position to basically run the show, from the right".

And I replied to your post by saying. "What don't you like about it? And please "explain" it here.. And I'm still waiting for your reply". So it's up to you to explain what's crazy about the laws!

I started a separate thread for you on crazy Florida legislation. If you can't see the craziness then no one is obligated to explain it to you.

[lyman]

in other words ray,


don't question a democrat, they don't like to answer when questioned

[rayg]

I started a separate thread for you on crazy Florida legislation. If you can't see the craziness then no one is obligated to explain it to you.

I don't want a separate thread!.. Your post was on this thread! so please just reply to my question here for Pete's sake on what don't you like about it? It can't be that hard as you must have your reasons why you think is it crazy!

[togor]

in other words ray,


don't question a democrat, they don't like to answer when questioned

Well there is the matter of reciprocity.

I ask Ray questions, and he ducks them, so I feel no obligation at this point to answer his questions.

There's a long list of hard questions that folks here don't want to go into.

But with respect to Ray's current question, about that Florida law, I did better than answer his question--I started a thread for it.

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I don't want a separate thread!.. Your post was on this thread! so please just reply to my question here for Pete's sake on what don't you like about it? It can't be that hard as you must have your reasons why you think is it crazy!

The law carves an exception in Florida law so students can deliberately bait and trap their professors. I think that is wrong.

Your turn: tell me why that is right, and for that matter, good for higher education.

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Lyman,

This time you're the one egging on Ray.

[lyman]

your view,

not often if ever center, much less right leaning


the questions are not hard, you have a habit of making them that way