Long Live the USA

[Allen]

I'll give you a hint -- you'll never see a news program showing a huge "caravan" of people headed SOUTH!

Unless it is Americans heading toward Southern states.

Those that leave for tax purposes mostly still call the U.S. home. When I worked at the refinery a lot of operators put in to work overseas for the extra pay, reduced taxes. They didn't sell their homes here nor relocated their families. Most work was 2-5 year contracts. Their goal was to reach their magic $ amount needed to retire.

[lyman]

Find me a photo of a crowd of Americans 10 miles long moving to Honduras, and I'll admit I'm wrong.

never said you were wrong Vern,

[Vern Humphrey]

And interestingly enough, the only minority-majority state, New Mexico, also has the highest percentage of people on welfare.

[Mark in Ottawa]

Another place that people are retiring to is Panama. When we spent a day there looking at the locks (and buying a Panama hat for fun), our guide who was a British expat told us that a lot of Americans and some Europeans were retiring there because the cost of living was much lower, health care was both excellent and inexpensive, most of the country is considered to be safe and a lot of new apartments were being constructed to accommodate them. When we were there, a 103 story apartment was under construction - a long walk down in an emergency but apparently reasonably priced.

[Vern Humphrey]

So maybe we should have a deputy sheriff directing traffic and sending the caravans of Central Americans to Panama.

[Allen]

So maybe we should have a deputy sheriff directing traffic and sending the caravans of Central Americans to Panama.

Panama has a welfare system?

[Vern Humphrey]

Panama has a welfare system?

Who cares? What they do with the refugees is their problem.

[Allen]

Who cares? What they do with the refugees is their problem.

Point was: They wouldn't have refugees unless they had a welfare system.

Everyone is flocking to America to "not work".

[togor]

Point was: They wouldn't have refugees unless they had a welfare system.

Everyone is flocking to America to "not work".

No they're not.

[Vern Humphrey]

Point was: They wouldn't have refugees unless they had a welfare system.

Everyone is flocking to America to "not work".

Which explains why New Mexico, which now has a Hispanic majority, has the highest percentage of people on welfare.

[lyman]

Which explains why New Mexico, which now has a Hispanic majority, has the highest percentage of people on welfare.

is there a way to get the breakdown on who gets the gov't welfare funds?

[Vern Humphrey]

is there a way to get the breakdown on who gets the gov't welfare funds?

https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-rate/new-mexico/

Poverty in New Mexico
What is the poverty rate in New Mexico?
The poverty rate in New Mexico is 20.6%. One out of every 4.9 residents of New Mexico lives in poverty.

How many people in New Mexico live in poverty?

420,293 of 2,043,896 residents reported income levels below the poverty line in the last year.

How does the Poverty Rate in New Mexico compare to the national average?
New Mexico ranks 49th in Poverty Rate at 20.6%(poverty rankings by state).The Poverty Rate of New Mexico is dramatically higher than the national average of 14.6%.

New Mexico Poverty Rate By Race
Race Population Poverty Rate National Poverty Rate Population
Black 39,464 24.2% 25.2% 1.9%
American Indian 193,553 33.6% 26.8% 9.3%
Asian 29,231 9.9% 11.9% 1.4%
Pacific Islander1,299 21.2% 19.0% 0.1%
Other 192,645 28.5% 23.8% 9.2%
Two Or More Races 66,940 20.6% 18.4% 3.2%
White 782,706 12.4% 10.3% 37.5%
Hispanic 983,700 24.8% 22.2% 47.2%

This system doesn't handle tables well -- but you can figure it out.

[togor]

https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-rate/new-mexico/
Poverty in New Mexico
What is the poverty rate in New Mexico?
The poverty rate in New Mexico is 20.6%. One out of every 4.9 residents of New Mexico lives in poverty.

How many people in New Mexico live in poverty?

420,293 of 2,043,896 residents reported income levels below the poverty line in the last year.

How does the Poverty Rate in New Mexico compare to the national average?
New Mexico ranks 49th in Poverty Rate at 20.6%(poverty rankings by state).The Poverty Rate of New Mexico is dramatically higher than the national average of 14.6%.

New Mexico Poverty Rate By Race
Race Population Poverty Rate National Poverty Rate Population
Black 39,464 24.2% 25.2% 1.9%
American Indian 193,553 33.6% 26.8% 9.3%
Asian 29,231 9.9% 11.9% 1.4%
Pacific Islander1,299 21.2% 19.0% 0.1%
Other 192,645 28.5% 23.8% 9.2%
Two Or More Races 66,940 20.6% 18.4% 3.2%
White 782,706 12.4% 10.3% 37.5%
Hispanic 983,700 24.8% 22.2% 47.2%

This system doesn't handle tables well -- but you can figure it out.

How does a posted table establish causality? Through what mechanism does this

Which explains why New Mexico, which now has a Hispanic majority, has the highest percentage of people on welfare.

become true? Correlation does not establish causality.

If it is obvious then it should be easy to explain to the skeptic.

And remember this, as quoted by Mark Twain in his autobiography?

'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'

[dryheat]

No stats needed. New Mexico is full of Pueblo Indians. But that's what makes it kind of funky. New Mexico is comfortable with poverty. They know how to work it. It's Mississippi west.

You couldn't pay me to live in Albuquerque.