That's how you control a border

[togor]

Look, guys, what's the #1 favorite activity around here? Criticizing the government!! What do they take a dim view of in *all* of those former Communist states? Criticizing the government. We had a Jefferson, an Adams, a Washington. They didn't. I prefer this country. YMMV!!

So anyways, back to the Hungarian/Serbian border....

Whether this is the way to go or not, Orban is not wrong to raise the alarm. Climate change may yet make refugees of us all. And not everyone will have the luxury of a suitable relocation option within the national border. I do hate seeing hard borders go up and block wildlife migration, because fragmentation of habitat is already a huge problem. This is also why I don't like the Mexico wall thingy. (Someone has to give a sh-- about wildlife!!) On the other hand a sturdy fence at the Illinois border, between cornfields....LOL

[lyman]

Look, guys, what's the #1 favorite activity around here? Criticizing the government!! What do they take a dim view of in *all* of those former Communist states? Criticizing the government. We had a Jefferson, an Adams, a Washington. They didn't. I prefer this country. YMMV!!

So anyways, back to the Hungarian/Serbian border....

Whether this is the way to go or not, Orban is not wrong to raise the alarm. Climate change may yet make refugees of us all. And not everyone will have the luxury of a suitable relocation option within the national border. I do hate seeing hard borders go up and block wildlife migration, because fragmentation of habitat is already a huge problem. This is also why I don't like the Mexico wall thingy. (Someone has to give a sh-- about wildlife!!) On the other hand a sturdy fence at the Illinois border, between cornfields....LOL

twisty today, ain't it

[togor]

twisty today, ain't it

Feel free to comment on the OP yourself instead of just nitpicking at my posts.

[lyman]

I did,, you keep changing the direction

[togor]

I did,, you keep changing the direction

The OP was about the Hungarian/Serbian border fence.

[lyman]

and immigration,,, didja actually read it?

[dryheat]

I have a problem with the wall as well...for the animals sake. Actually I kind of envisioned just drawing a line from San Diego across to St Petersburg and just lopping everything below off and handing it over to Mexico. Kind of a re-set.

[togor]

I have a problem with the wall as well...for the animals sake. Actually I kind of envisioned just drawing a line from San Diego across to St Petersburg and just lopping everything below off and handing it over to Mexico. Kind of a re-set.

Florida to the Cubans! Half of them live there anyways!

[lyman]

The Cajuns in La may not appreciate that move to mexico,,,,

[Mark in Ottawa]

We were in Prague at about that time. Our guide, who was very educated (PhD) and was generally pretty open minded said clearly and categorically that they did not want refugees at all and would not accept them. She pointed out that the Czech republic's population was small and could not risk outsiders overwhelming their culture. This was particularly true because the refugees were of an ethnic group that often refused to accept the social and moral norms of the countries that they wanted to move to.

[Vern Humphrey]

I was reading a religious book where the author was going on about current immorality and said that's how the Roman Empire fell.

Nope. The Roman Empire that fell was a Christian empire, and most of the things that shocked Gibbon were no longer done. The Roman Empire fell to unrestricted immigration.

[dryheat]

Christians aren't holy. They just think they are. Or say they are. And they are used by the politicians. Now, if business thinks that being Christian will help business then they are all for it.
I don't know who Gibbon was but he was unaware(not getting into sex stuff). But, from what I've heard, Rome fell due to laziness and immigration. I thinks it's happened before. Sound familiar?
Who has time to worry about our heritage? Actually, this is an interesting time to live in. You've heard the refrain: May you live in interesting times. They're heeerrr! Enjoy the ride.
[I don't like every Chinese quote]

[Vern Humphrey]

Christians aren't holy. They just think they are. Or say they are. And they are used by the politicians. Now, if business thinks that being Christian will help business then they are all for it.
I don't know who Gibbon was but he was unaware(not getting into sex stuff). But, from what I've heard, Rome fell due to laziness and immigration. I thinks it's happened before. Sound familiar?
Who has time to worry about our heritage? Actually, this is an interesting time to live in. You've heard the refrain: May you live in interesting times. They're heeerrr! Enjoy the ride.
[I don't like every Chinese quote]

Gibbon wrote a massive book, "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" about 240 years ago. He was shocked by all the orgries and so on, and attributed the fall of the Empire to those things.

By the 5th century, the things that really shocked him -- gladiatorial combat, exposing infants and so on -- were no longer in vogue. So to attribute the fall of the Empire to those things is anachronistic. It was unlimited immigration that brought the Empire down.

[dryheat]

I thought part of the problem was hiring mercenaries to do their fighting for them.

[Vern Humphrey]

I thought part of the problem was hiring mercenaries to do their fighting for them.

They had always done that -- Roman cavalry was always from non-Italian peoples. They did, as barbarian populations in Italy, begin to enlist them into the legions. The German commander at the battle of Teutoberg Wald, during the reign of the first Emperor, Augustus, was a man who had served as an officer in the Roman army and returned home to fight against the Romans. He destroyed a force of three reinforced legions under Publius Quinctilius Varus.

That was more than 450 years before the fall of Rome.