Joe's success

[jjrothWA]

After Sept. eleventh, the topic was good thing Gore lost.
As the Libyan embassy was "demonstrated against", "obl' was not in the office.
And after a senior officer of the irainian republican guard was taken out after landing and driving inside a war zone [outside his country].

Aren't we glad to have biden at the basement?

[Johnny P]

Knew it all along. Biden had nothing to do with this as it is all Trump's fault, just like the crisis on the border. As soon as slo joe can find the door to the White House he is going to fix all this.

Even the locals willing to fight and die to remain in the 14th century knew they had a pass with slo joe.

[togor]

So....we should have stayed in Afghanistan? Is that really what people are saying?

What's another 20 years?

Because if we're not there....this happens. True in any year, true 20 years from now.

[lyman]

Impossible not to notice how the elites on both the right and left are bent out of shape by the end of the Afghanistan project. Only goes to show how disconnected they are from everyday practical reality, in the USA and Afghanistan both.

I would counter there is not much of a difference in right or left, except for the hacks on the air,


they just lost a good source of revenue,
they being the ones that were beating the drums to keep us there,
and after a bit, the headlines will stop, so the click or ad revenue from ratings will drop unless replaced with doom and gloom 5.0

[Art]

Well we've been in Korea for 70 years and we aren't leaving. If we did leave "'lil Kim" would be coming over the border. The fighting would be long harsh and bloody but eventually he would probably take the south. Even if he were defeated there would be hundreds of thousands of dead folks and that doesn't include the civilians, and one of the world's most prosperous nations would be absolutely wrecked. The fact is we are in a lot of places that we're never leaving, including a lot of places in the middle east. Our son is in one of them now.

We had 2,500 troops in Afghanistan, that's a couple of reinforced battalions. No American soldier had been KIA since early 2020. I don't have a problem with that very small footprint especially since it surely prevented what we're seeing today.

Like every Biden failure this is going to be "Trump's fault." Trump also wanted to pull everybody out but he wasn't going to get them out in the "fighting season" but in the spring when the Taliban fighters were still in Pakistan. The Trump plan (I actually heard him articulate this) was a phased withdrawal. First all U.S. and friendly civilians would be evacuated. Biden had months to get that process going and didn't. Then all heavy weapons, armored vehicles and aircraft would be removed. Finally the last remaining U.S. troops would leave. So it seems that Trump actually did have a plan.

Biden had no plan. Hell the Kabul Airport is closed by mobs of people on the runway and as of now, we can't even use military airlift. As far as Afghan civilians, we aren't going to be able to actually vet adequately the people we're going to take out and we will get bad guys.

Whether you wanted us completely out or not this is an "effing" disaster. It's a "cluster fornication" of almost unprecedented proportions. It makes the fall of Saigon look like a cakewalk.

I fully expect Biden to blame (besides trump) the intelligence. If he actually believes that his first act tomorrow should be to fire, at a minimum, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Director of the CIA, the head of the National Intelligence Service as well as the G2 of every branch of the service. I don't think that will happen and if it doesn't it means he doesn't hold those people responsible and his comments are all BS. Since Biden is full of it anyway I expect more BS.

[barretcreek]

Another question, while we are in the 'heads on pikes' mode.

Who wants President Harris?

[Art]

Another question, while we are in the 'heads on pikes' mode.

Who wants President Harris?

Faced with a choice between Biden and Harris....I'll take Biden. As incompetent as he is he's better than her. Remember, Harris was outlasted in the Democrat primary by a shaman!!!!!

[Johnny P]

So....we should have stayed in Afghanistan? Is that really what people are saying?

What's another 20 years?

Because if we're not there....this happens. True in any year, true 20 years from now.

Now it's not about whether you leave or stay, but the way you accomplish it. Slo joe just jerked the rugs out from under everyone including the U.S. citizens still in Afghanistan.

He is the deer squinting into the headlights.

[togor]

Now it's not about whether you leave or stay, but the way you accomplish it. Slo joe just jerked the rugs out from under everyone including the U.S. citizens still in Afghanistan.

He is the deer squinting into the headlights.

This is just Biden bashing at this point.

If someone is going to argue that there's a right way to leave that would somehow also deter the Taliban, then let them put it out there.

And let's see how many big bets they place on both the Afghan Army and the Taliban when they do.

[oscars]

Biden could be faulted by assuming some degree of confidence in the professionalism and competence of the Afghan army, which was not warranted. Somebody post and acceptable time when the US could have left. At the very latest that should have been when OBL was killed (2011), if not when the Taliban was degraded in 2003.

[Johnny P]

Impossible not to notice how the elites on both the right and left are bent out of shape by the end of the Afghanistan project. Only goes to show how disconnected they are from everyday practical reality, in the USA and Afghanistan both.

Not that it happened, but how it happened. If Afghanistan was the only country where the U.S. had troops your statement might have a grain of truth, but in reality the U.S. has troops stationed in more than 175 other countries.

[barretcreek]

We came in with LBJ's VN playbook. Make another USA midwest type society with shopping malls, fast food joints and an interstate system. We refused to realize the closest we could come a bad copy of the South Side of Chicago.

China will do o.k. because they are just as corrupt and don't expect to create another 1950s Iowa.

[Allen]

I'm still trying to comprehend "joe" and "success" being used in the same sentence.

[BudT]

Hair sniffer eats this one, it's all his and it will always be his and his lackeys. His success is his ability to surrender it in record time. The worry now is whats the next one for him to run from, Taiwan? south Korea? Israel? maybe he's going to tell the Chinese they can have Japan and Australia or New Zealand. You can bank on it that the Chinese are thinking it's a great time to make a big move or the N. Koreans or the Russians in some more of the Ukraine or how about the Alaskan islands. Hair sniffer ain't got the brains or balls to stop it especially with his suckups in the military, Milly comes to mind mr PC-CRT. 8 years in the WH shining Barry's shoes and the dumbchit cant see this coming. Dear God in heaven is he stupid.
BudT

[togor]

Not that it happened, but how it happened. If Afghanistan was the only country where the U.S. had troops your statement might have a grain of truth, but in reality the U.S. has troops stationed in more than 175 other countries.

How many of those 175 involve active insurgencies where we're propping up a government?

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We came in with LBJ's VN playbook. Make another USA midwest type society with shopping malls, fast food joints and an interstate system. We refused to realize the closest we could come a bad copy of the South Side of Chicago.

China will do o.k. because they are just as corrupt and don't expect to create another 1950s Iowa.

Those neighboring countries did not mind seeing us do the heavy lifting. Maybe only Pakistan is glad to see us out of there.